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Posted: 14 Feb 10, 21:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The wife called me in during the first figure skating competition by the Chinese couple Shen/Zhao.  Their music was, of all things, a multiple violin instrumental version of 'Who Wants To Live Forever' (single version). 

Another instance of just how far-reaching the band's influence and popularity still is, more so considering the country (regime) in which the performers are from.   

Made me wonder whether the boys get any royalties from something like this, and if Mr. May has a copy of it.

Perhaps someone will provide the audio/video link when it is made available.

(I'd have posted this in the 'general' forum, but that doesn't quite seem the place these days)



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Posted: 14 Feb 10, 21:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Not only that, but the Swiss pair danced to Bohemian Rhapsody.  The guitar work was excellent... I wonder who played on it?

As for royalties, I doubt they'll come into play because it's an instrumental version.  Even if that isn't the case, I'd like to think that music can be freely used for things like this.  Music is supposed to inspire, not make money.  Or at least, inspiration should be bigger than the monetary side of things.



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Posted: 15 Feb 10, 14:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you, theCro, for providing the 2009 performance link.  Very much appreciated.  Especially since there is no commentary to ruin it.

Here is last night's performance, provided by a fellow QMSer:

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/assetid=74e0cada-bf1c-4bef-9aa5-f9c4dde553a3.html#shenzhao

You may have to download the software to view........it takes less than a minute.

Sir GH:  regarding royalties, I somewhat agree, but check the link below (does not include the entire article unless you are an ESPN subscriber.....I'll provide the full text later in a different link), but I have included a selected piece that appeared near the end.
 
 http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/insider/news/story?id=4864482                    
 
" Music licensing agencies such as BMI and ASCAP tally and distribute compensation for sports anthems. The process of calculating payouts is complicated, based on the number of times the song is played, or total number of attendees at the game, or the amount of a flat usage fee a team might pay. But artists whose songs are in heavy rotation easily clear six figures annually. As Ian Dench, the EMF guitarist who wrote "Unbelievable" back in 1990 puts it, "That song has fed the band for a long time."
 
May has a file in his iTunes library devoted to "We Will Rock You" covers, at least a hundred deep. He opens his laptop, scrolls through them, and for a moment I'm a little worried he'll play them all. But he double-clicks only one, a symphonic version by the group E.S. Posthumus, which might be a part of this year's Super Bowl entertainment. While it's overproduced and overwrought, it's still powerful, still catchy, and most of all, because May and I tap our feet ever so slightly, still a uniting force in its own weird way."

Personal comment:  Musicians are entitled to 'something' when their music is played.  I doubt that it runs into the thousands of dollars, but some compensation is probably involved.  After all, a couple now receives royalties anytime 'Happy Birthday' is played on TV or the radio, because they had the insight (gall-balls-whatever) to copyright it. 

As to the instrumentals at the Olympics......it may be pennies or a few dollars, but as I quoted Geddy Lee recently in a different thread, ......'ten bucks is ten bucks, eh."

The Swiss couple performing to BoRhap....most likely  CBC has a different telecast than NBC, otherwise my wife would have been screaming for me to come and watch / listen.  Thanks for the heads up.

If anyone finds that link, please post it.   Thanks in advance.







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Posted: 16 Feb 10, 02:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, please post more figure skating links.

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Posted: 16 Feb 10, 06:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This sounds horrible... To think that someone out there actually has a profession in turning beautiful songs into Chinese Restaurant tunes.

Seriously, musicians/arrangers who make horribly cheesy stuff like a cd with panflute versions of Simon & Garfunkel songs should be put to sleep.



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Posted: 16 Feb 10, 13:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I heard WWTLF the other night and thought it was dire.

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Posted: 16 Feb 10, 16:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



*goodco* wrote:

Musicians are entitled to 'something' when their music is played.  I doubt that it runs into the thousands of dollars, but some compensation is probably involved.

I respectfully disagree.  If I want my song to be played somewhere, I'd probably have to pay to make that happen.

I think it should be the other way around, if anything.  An artist should be glad that they're getting exposure and having their music played somewhere.  That should be payment in itself.



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Posted: 16 Feb 10, 17:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Sir GH wrote:

Music is supposed to inspire, not make money. 


Is this a joke? Would you give your music away because it is 'inspirational'. If Queen Productions read this they would die laughing.






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Posted: 17 Feb 10, 00:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



mooghead wrote:







Sir GH wrote:



Music is supposed to inspire, not make money. 


Is this a joke? Would you give your music away because it is 'inspirational'. If Queen Productions read this they would die laughing.

Don't take it out of context.  We're strictly talking about music being used for figure skating.



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Posted: 18 Feb 10, 11:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH:  really, if someone didn't abide by a copyright of your music, you wouldn't want some compensation?   You would really give it away for free?  Perhaps if you were a millionaire, I'd understand  that.  Still, wouldn't you want to be consulted, rather than your music appearing in an organization's ad that you were totally against?  Also, was it OK for Led Zeppelin to not rightfully pay Wee Willy Dixon and others for the songs they ripped off without giving due credit and monetary value?  Rather surprised at that at approach.

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I wasn't posting or discussing some yahoo bull-roast with revelers doing something to AOBTD in Mt. Pleasant, TX ......but two world reknowned, bronze and now gold medal skaters, from a repressionist Communist country, performing what amounts to a very obscure Queen track from 24 years ago.  Thought there might be interest.........and there is interest in this.
 
I'd have preferred watching hockey.  TV ratings suggest otherwise.
 
If Shawn White had performed to TYMD, I'd have posted as well. 
 
Someday, I'll find the clip of my daughter  while she was in the Univ of Delaware 350 member marching band, performing BoRhap.  Great performance, very enjoyable, enthusiastic, and different.  Consider yourself forewarned.
 
If that's ok with your narrow acceptance level.
 
I swear, next to anyone holding jumper cables and a compass,  being under a bridge during a rainstorm at the north magnetic pole, and listening to an AM station, I've never come across anyone so negative and full of static.
 
Unless it's all for the BS factor, or to garner attention.  If so, I stand corrected.


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Posted: 18 Feb 10, 15:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote































































































































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Sir GH:  really, if someone didn't abide by a copyright of your music, you wouldn't want some compensation?   You would really give it away for free?






























































Yes, I would.  I think copyright is nothing but an excuse to fill the pockets of lawyers and bean-counters at the major record labels.  The artist sees very little of this money.  A couple months back, some lawyers sued Men At Work for using a small part of a song written by someone who died over 20 years ago.  She had no problem with it in her lifetime, so this was nothing but a posthumous money grab simply because the system allowed it.

Still, wouldn't you want to be consulted, rather than your music appearing in an organization's ad that you were totally against?

Maybe if it was the people's alliance in favour of kiddie-porn or something equally out in left field, I probably wouldn't want to be associated with them.  Otherwise, I don't feel there's a need for me to force someone to pay me when I should be grateful and flattered that they would want to use my art, which would promote me as an artist.

I don't think there needs to be laws to regulate this kind of thing.  It should be up to the artists and whoever wants to use the music to settle it amongst themselves if necessary.  Music is supposed to be art, not another excuse to make ridiculous amounts of money.  The artistic nature of music has been eroded away to the very core in the mainstream, as it has become simply another avenue of business like everything else.

Copyright means nothing to many major artists.  Nine Inch Nails release their albums online for free, along with many of the best-selling rock bands of the last 20 years including Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins, and Pearl Jam.  Trent Reznor even has complete multi-tracks of NIN songs available for download.  His attitude is, I've done what I want with them... now you have a go.

Also, was it OK for Led Zeppelin to not rightfully pay Wee Willy Dixon and others for the songs they ripped off without giving due credit and monetary value?

We're talking about the blues, a genre where one bluesman passed down his work to another.  It was considered a sign of flattery to have your song quoted by someone.  Just about everyone did it, including Willie Dixon himself.  Led Zeppelin simply happened to be the first artists to achieve great commercial success by doing this.  Dixon sold out and sued them, as this kind of thing became common by the 80s.  Otherwise, why didn't he sue them back in 1969?  It was nothing but a cash grab, and a middle finger to everything that bluesmen once stood for.



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Posted: 20 Feb 10, 13:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In case of interest: The violin version of WWTLF was done by German violin player David Garrett.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQnH__W9S6w


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Posted: 20 Feb 10, 14:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

that sounded horrible lol


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GH:  Bob......all your points are valid.  I disagree with almost all your views on this, but I respect and understand your viewpoint.  Almost swayed me.  Almost;-)  Well presented.


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Posted: 22 Feb 10, 22:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Haha.. thanks!

Feel free to bring forth a rebuttal.  I'm always happy to listen and learn.


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Posted: 22 Feb 10, 22:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Another pair skated to Bohemian Rhapsody tonight, arranged for strings - Canadians in this instance.