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Posted: 16 Apr 10, 01:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

User Sephiroth34567890, has a video of "We Are The Champions" on his channel from Stockholm 1986: I just listened to it, and Freddie hits a C5 in EVERY CHORUS of the song--but something is wrong. My version of the Stockholm concert has him hitting a C5 in just the first chorus (the other ones have different notes). It sounds like the bootleg has the Puebla 1981 concert spliced into it (during the second chorus, the fans sound "mexican," plus it matches the recording). Me and user jamster1111 have been trying to solve this mystery for weeks: Does Sephiroth34567890 have an alternative bootleg? Is it a fake? Or was the bootleg spliced using other concerts? HELP!!!

Here's Sephiroth's version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb7M5QLvs7E&feature=related

Here's my version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaaiK_Q-Y6Q


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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 01:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 10:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

At first I didn't like the "audience sounds Mexican" bit but I can certainly hear what you say, hehe :).

The fans singing in the second chorus sound like their native tongue is Spanish and it does sound like a Mexican accent (certainly, not Spaniards or Argentineans).

Hopefully someone will answer your question in more detail, but there is something going on there for sure.

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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 11:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It doesn't sound like a different concert edited in. Both versions sound like different recordings from different people in the audience. And it's some member of the audience sounding a bit like Freddie while hitting the higher notes.

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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 11:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well haven't given it a proper listen, but the GYPSY EYE version seems to be just repeating the first FIGHTING
splicing it in where the second one should be, the fiiiiiighting sounds identical, 3rd CHORUS uses the first half of the word "FIGH" from CHORUS 1 (mostly heard in the left speaker) then reverts back to CHORUS 3. for "TING" (both speakers).

I dont see the point of spicing bits in, but mystery solved.

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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 14:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I haven't heard the Gypsy Eye version, but I do have another copy of that audience source.

To my ears, there are no edits.  It's just a distant audience recording where audience members near the taper drown out the band from time to time, which can be a bit misleading.  In this case, it sounds like Freddie's hitting higher notes, but what we're hearing is the audience members.

The second audience source clarifies that Freddie doesn't hit the high C in the second and third choruses of the song.


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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 15:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am the said 'sephiroth', love the title!

As Sir GH said I can't hear no edits, esp when you play the two together side by side, they are deffo the same version throughout.

That said, its clear that the version I put up is a lower quality and also little pitched up/too fast, plus the recording is from a different source which explains why you can hear the crowd in one version and not nearly so much in the other version.


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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 16:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

damn, that audience must be singing high!

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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 16:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 16:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

im 100% sure i am right on this guys.

here we go
the fist and second FIGHTING are identical, the third has the FIGH from the first with the orignal TING.

just to prove it heres all three next to each other.

GYPSY EYE tampered with it mystery solved:)
The new mystery is WHY?

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Posted: 17 Apr 10, 18:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

emrabt wrote: im 100% sure i am right on this guys.

here we go
the fist and second FIGHTING are identical, the third has the FIGH from the first with the orignal TING.

just to prove it heres all three next to each other.

GYPSY EYE tampered with it mystery solved:)
The new mystery is WHY?

There ya go! SEE? What did I tell you? That IS Freddie singing all three C5s, but Gypsy Eye did some splicing work! The best reason I can think of, is that Gypsy Eye wanted to destroy yet another high-quality gig, with their EQ'ing, hissing, and splicing.


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Posted: 18 Apr 10, 04:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

so what do i win?

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Posted: 18 Apr 10, 06:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Very interesting...but actually your post proves to me the crowd WERE singing that high note , its quite obvious on the 3rd verse its the crowd and not Freddie, you can hear him doing his usual deeper/stronger note he does on the 3rd "fighting".

Now the second verse is MUCH tougher to call, the comprasion post shows they are very similar...but I still hear the crowd hitting the high C, I don't hear Freddie.

Thats because you've not actually included the "figh" part of the phrase in the second verse, just the "ting" part of the phrase, so of course it could sound similar. However that being said that is a little too uncanny as they do sound the same.

Also listen to the very end of the phrase "fighting" on the first and second chorus, a very small detail is different, but its someting I just noticed...on the first verse he closes the phrase with a straight note, on the second verse he actually opens it up with an ever so slight falsetto type note which actually causes the note to end a little higher then the orginal note, its at 0:05 on that video and is NOT on the first phrase, therefore they have to be two different versions at the very least, they aren't the same thing played twice over!
Its a tiny tiny detail but it sorta does prove unless Gypsy eye has been amazing complex with changing things around to the very millisecond, I think it proves at the least they aren't the same note.

I totally agree with Sir GH on this, its jsut a different recording from a different area, with the CROWD hitting the High C's, as it is sooo very clear to hear on the 11 second clip uploaded on the 3rd verse!


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Posted: 18 Apr 10, 09:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i disagree, the first and second FIghting are identical the third is a patchwork.

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Posted: 18 Apr 10, 10:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ah well its not a problem to disagree, but there IS a difference, I'm very anal about tiny details like that and the slight upward motion of his voice at the very end of the 2nd fighting is different then the first where he holds the note all the way to the end without no slight change that you can hear on the 2nd version.

In the end other than debating about the exacts ins and outs, I think we should all just agree that this is a kick-ass version with Freddie only actually hitting 1 high C, something we all do agree on!


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Posted: 18 Apr 10, 17:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

OMG, it's CLEARLY Freddie's voice singing those notes!


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Posted: 18 Apr 10, 19:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gregsynth wrote: OMG, it's CLEARLY Freddie's voice singing those notes!


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Posted: 18 Apr 10, 19:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with emrabt and gregsynth. They are not audience members, unless of the rare chance that Freddie went back in time and attended this concert as an audience member. After emrabt's clip of the 3 chorus one after another, I can safely determine that gypsy eye (or whatever source) spliced in the C5's because they are identical. However, the reason why the audience singing in the second chorus sounds different is because they are a different source.


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Posted: 18 Apr 10, 19:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jamster1111:

Plus, listen to HOW the C5s are hit: That raspy, chesty tone Freddie had in the mid 80s? No one can imitate Freddie THAT well! LMFAO!


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Posted: 18 Apr 10, 19:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ya i agree


It's late, but it's time to set me free

It's late, yes I know but there's no way it has to be

Too late, so let the fire take our bodies this night

So late, so let the waters take our guilt in the t