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Posted: 25 May 10, 12:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Look guys and gals here on QZ....

I am really seriously NOT remotely interested in why John is bitter, or isn't bitter, or why he wont talk with, deal with, go shopping with, share a county with, me.  That's up to him and I don't have time to debate it all with him or anyone else endlessly here. I find it annoying and boring in the extreme and I guess most of you do too.

I don't care why he is bitter, or isn't.  I just don't. I know how his mind works, and how long he holds grudges, and I even understand some of his grievances. SOME. Most of his resentment would be better left in the past in my opinion. Continually bringing up  things that date back nearly TEN YEARS now, is completely pointless, unhealthy, and a sad way to be.

I came here to Queenzone and offered JSS an open, frank, honest and genuine olive branch. Let's move forward, I said. Let's not live in the past. Let's try to get to a place that makes life potentially better for all Queen fans. Let's do this for the betterment of Queen, rather than continually harping on about distant episodes for the rest of our lives, and living up our own bottoms and living in the past with decade-old grievances.  We can either bring up all the bad history, I said, or we can move FORWARD.

Please God let us move forward for a change, I thought - naively!!!   But.... no.... some people just can't do that. Not a BIG enough person. Not enough grace or good faith, or strength of character. The easiest thing is to say NO, I won't deal with this person, and that's what John chooses every time.  What a fiend and general poodle with a club foot and crooked teeth he is. I would hate to be stuck in that kind of negative place like the Nob-End guy we've all met in our time, in Accounts, who just won't listen to anyone or move on and wonders why he's always sitting alone at lunchtime eating the sandwiches that he made himself!!!!!!!!!

John went for the living in the past with grouchy resentment option. Not a massive surprise, but disappointing.

Now... this is where I see that this leaves us.

1. I can now happily trot off back to the Queen archive, out-takes and enigmatic rare recordings, safe (or smug, if that's more annoying) in the knowledge that I did TRY to build some bridges.  If anyone asks me, I can show the thread and say, "Look, there it is. I tried. He declined. I was the bigger person, he was the little person."

2. Does Queen Anthology depend upon John Stuart's collection?  No. It does not.

3. Do we have an original De Lane Session reel? Of course we do. Do you think RT or BM would NOT have kept such a thing in their own collections???  Get real.  

4. Will I lose sleep or be unhappy that John wont deal with me because, according to him, I cannot be trusted???   NOT in this world.   God only knows why or how he ever concluded that I cannot be trusted. He has no foundation to say that.  I think he's harping back, again, to the Ibex tape being lost by someone at the record company and not me.  Although, perhaps John thinks that I kept the cassette in order to make a million quid out of it!!!!  Like I say, JSS lives in a dreamworld.

5. John NOT dealing with me directly means, in his unusual mind, that either John or Brian or Roger will pick up the old dog and bone and give him a wee call to see what can be organised, OR no one at all from QPL will ring him, possibly of the mind that that's the Archivist's job, and you don't have a dog and bark yourself, do you!!!  They pay me to do that stuff.

You never know, though John. Stay by that phone. A member of Queen might not be able to resist calling you up.

As I said, I made a genuine offer, and dear Johnny declined it. That is entirely his perog.... pre-ogat.... perrogativ....   his decision. I respect his decision a good deal more than I respect his selfish and rather foolist mentality. I think he's welcome to them both.  Frankly, I'd like to put a dozen agitated wasps down the front of his elderly grey y-fronts and then nip to the nearest pub and leave him to it.  That is MY prerogative.  I'll just be happy never again in my life having to speak to the annoying irritating exasperating maddening belligerent grumpy irksome disagreeable infuriating bitter resentful grudge-harboring ferret-fiddling sulky embittered hard-done-by wee rascal.

Now then..... reply with all you like; I won't be around to read it.  I honestly don't have the time or interest to read all this stuff, no more than a lot of you can be arsed to read all the stuff I write here. I don't blame you. I think most of this QZ text is a waste of time and effort. Go do something properly constructive and fascinating.  Go earn yourself a million quid, pay your mortgage off a decade early, and be happy never to have to read any of this crap any more.   I'm making big sense now, you know I am.

Tatty bye and all that jazz!


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Posted: 25 May 10, 12:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

you could just apologize to him you fat shit

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Posted: 25 May 10, 14:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

NO Greg, YOU are the one who needs to let go. Every so often you come back on to this site, and who is it who causes up a stir? Yes that’s right, it’s you. 

John isn’t holding a personal grudge, he is being civil, and only responding to your tormenting and often infuriating posts. There is nothing unreasonable about him wishing not to deal with you. It’s human nature, we all have our differences. You didn’t even need to make this thread, you could have just let it lie.

But no, you’ve created yet another insulting post, which is going to make Mr. Stuart even less inclined to deal with you. I think you need to just realise that you can never give back his Ibex tape, and he is certainly not going to trust you with another one of his tapes, as it may be lost again. It may not have been directly lost by you, but you were part of the chain. You should have made sure that sufficient precautions were made. It is not John being bitter, or holding a grudge. The fact is that there is still a chance that such an incident (heaven forbid) could happen again, and this is why he will not trust you with his tapes. 

Even though he has declined to deal with you, he has made a perfectly reasonable offer in that he will be open to a deal with an official figure from QPL. So, instead of whinging, and mocking him that he’ll never get Brian or Roger phoning him up to ask for the rarities, you have a chance to do the right, grown up thing. Organise something with Jim Beach, or Maylor, and help to get the tracks into the archives and out into a release. 

Go on, prove that you can be mature, then maybe you’ll gain more of our trust.


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Posted: 25 May 10, 14:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What great theatre this is.  If the band have the tapes you purport to be seeking, then why are you here seeking to make some kind of deal with John?


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Posted: 25 May 10, 14:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm confused.

Why offer an olive branch and subsequent deal for material one already has?  Did I misread previoous posts and all that actually occurred was the olive branch part?

All most perplexing.

(this is all rhetorical of course, I accept that no answer will be forthcoming)

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Posted: 25 May 10, 14:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I got a plan B: How about releasing those Crazy Tour Bootlegs (Manchester, Bristol, etc)?


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Posted: 25 May 10, 15:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gregsynth wrote: I got a plan B: How about releasing those Crazy Tour Bootlegs (Manchester, Bristol, etc)?
Seconded! I'd love to hear some Crazy Tour in great sound quality (Hammersmith '79 release anyone?)


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Posted: 25 May 10, 15:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What a coincidence, Me and Greg Brooks share the same initials...

If I was an archivist for a band, I'd throw random stuff out every day! lol


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Posted: 25 May 10, 16:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg,

You need help. Real help. Get yourself hospitalised, FOR REAL!

I've never seen such an ass in my lifetime. It would be better for you to commit suicide (as this will definately benefit mankind.... I AM SERIOUS GREG. Take a rope ...and end your life)

Moron!

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Posted: 25 May 10, 17:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fuckin hell - did anyone actually read to the end of that? Greg - for someone apparently so not arsed about the situation, you do seem to HARP ON about it a bit much. This must be your hundredth long winded psychotic essay on here about - the same old subject you apparently don't care about. Now - carry on reading the forum every day and then post again when it all gets too much about how you really really haven't been reading it. Boo hoo.

And it seems pretty obvious the band don't have the masters for those demos - otherwise why would Brian be talking about transferring the acetates and why would you/QPL apparently chase a bootlegger for it? And why come begging someone you have "history" with and the conclusion was obvious, on a forum when someone claims their going to make available a better version than what's been bootleged previously? But the questions most people here should be asking themselves is why these 2 don't seem to ever contact each other privately? Very odd indeed.

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Posted: 25 May 10, 17:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Does this ass hole actually 'read' John's postings???  Has someone forwarded these insults at Queen fans and grandiose accusations to Brian May or Jim Beach and see what they have to say about it???  I wonder if this douche is actually the real archivist???

Again, the only time this guys comes up here is to stir up shit and then leave when people have questions for him.


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Posted: 25 May 10, 18:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Pfff.

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Posted: 25 May 10, 19:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg has the format down to a T. I wonder if he uses a ready made script?

1. Ask someone else to do your job under the guise of "olive branch" offering (puke)
2. Feign surprise at lack of trust & cooperation
3. Insult JSS
4. Brag about your wonderful job and all the rarities you have access to (but somehow keep bugging QZ'ers about)
5. Claim you never really needed anything from anyone in the first place 
6. Call JSS a few more names 
7. Tell QZ'ers to get a life, and how useless QZ is
8. Hide behind QP's skirts
9. Toss a few derogatory remarks at JSS
10.Moan about other people holding grudges and not being able to let go of the past
10.Claim you really don't have the time to read carefully sollicited negative response
11.Disappear for a few months
12.Start sequence all over

I do believe GB is the real deal, but I also believe he lost it years ago. I assume that QP are well aware of his conduct, which can only mean they don't give a toss. Great musicianship unfortunately doesn't automatically make you a Gandhi, even if you save a few badgers every now and then. Let's move on and ignore the twat from now on.

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Posted: 25 May 10, 20:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I believe that John made the right decision.  I would rather this be in the hands of a private collector that appreciates what he has, than it be buried in the QPL vault never to see the light of day.

I am ambivalent about the sessions being shared as I already have a halfway decent bootleg copy, but it would sure be nice to see greg's nose rubbed in it.


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Posted: 25 May 10, 21:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i must be dense... i was under the impression that there can only be ONE "master" recording... so, he has / she has this or that in the band archives / personal archives - fine.

BUT SOMEONE HAS THE ORIGINAL AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS COPIES UNLESS I'M CRAZY....


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Posted: 26 May 10, 01:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

GB just apologize to him you fucking fatso

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Posted: 26 May 10, 06:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen Archivist wrote:

3. Do we have an original De Lane Session reel? Of course we do. Do you think RT or BM would NOT have kept such a thing in their own collections???  Get real. 

cmsdrums replies:

Yes, I do think that.  Hammy O 1979 master audio lost, losing multitrack master tapes when handing to Hollywood Records, not recording the video feed at Knebworth.....

I think them not retaining a master tape from very early demo sessions when they were not as rich as they are now, and didn't know any possible future significance of those recordings, is very plausible.

I think it may be you that needs to "get real" Greg.

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Posted: 26 May 10, 07:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Regarding Maylor not having a copy of the Music Centre sessions: didn't they also have no idea about Smile recordings until they surfaced?


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Posted: 26 May 10, 10:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can't help feeling this is a shame all round. To be honest why can't someone else ANYONE else call John if QPL really want this? surely there are other people other than Brian and Roger who could contact him.

That being said, I think it's time John moved on from this spat with Greg and sorted out a face to face meeting with others involved and a simple contract of sale each can sign, surely it can't be that diffcult to set up so it doesn't just bounce around here on QZ?

For the sake of the archive and any future official release surely it's worth doing this on both parts?

One has to assume QP don't have these tapes or why go to all the bother of asking for them, and likewise surely someone from the organisation can call John, OK so they pay Greg, but surely even a PA can get on the phone and set up a meeting between John and QP? If they really want it Greg can just wait till it arrives and then archive it.

It's a totally pointless argument when it comes down to who did what to who when it's so long ago now, God this was being discussed in something like 2004...move on both of you


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Posted: 26 May 10, 10:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

cmsdrums wrote:

Queen Archivist wrote:



3. Do we have an original De Lane Session reel? Of course we do. Do you think RT or BM would NOT have kept such a thing in their own collections???  Get real. 



cmsdrums replies:

Yes, I do think that.  Hammy O 1979 master audio lost, losing multitrack master tapes when handing to Hollywood Records, not recording the video feed at Knebworth.....

I think them not retaining a master tape from very early demo sessions when they were not as rich as they are now, and didn't know any possible future significance of those recordings, is very plausible.

I think it may be you that needs to "get real" Greg.


I really start to think that at least the second half of the Knebworth concert DOES exist on video. I really can't imagine how else could exist all these short pro-shot parts with camera angles identical to the video shown on the big screen :-(