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Posted: 12 Aug 10, 02:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am quite sure that it comes from the first night, between Death on two legs and Brigthon Rock.

Don t remember if is been taped.

Earls Court was taped but I don t think with the intention to release the video.

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Posted: 12 Aug 10, 07:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Earl's Court was filmed with the intention of being their first Live video release. Unfortunately, due to the bad audio dropouts in 'Tie Your Mother Down' and 'Ogre Battle,' the project was shelved was shelved...  both nights were filmed i believe.


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Posted: 12 Aug 10, 09:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's what we thought for years, but that's been pretty much proven to be false.

Here are a few points to consider:

First - bands did not release videos back in the 70s.  VHS was not a popular format yet (it was only introduced to the public in 1976, and wasn't really mainstream until the 80s), and the idea of buying a video of a concert back then was just non-existent.  Bands rarely, if ever, filmed shows with the intent of preserving footage of themselves - they didn't really value this practice back then.

Second - the video exists only because they had two giant screens at Earls Court, just like Led Zeppelin did in 1975.  What you see on the Led Zeppelin DVD is the video taken from those screens.  You can be sure the complete videos of both nights exist in Queen's archives.

Third - the audio dropouts are irrelevant, as what we have heard is the video feed, not necessarily what was recorded from the soundboard.  The band most likely have a far superior audio source in their archives.


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Posted: 12 Aug 10, 09:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Correct!

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Posted: 12 Aug 10, 10:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indeed, that seems to be from the second night, since it doesn't match the first.  There have been little bits and pieces of the second night seen here and there, mostly in documentaries.


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Posted: 12 Aug 10, 14:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote: That's what we thought for years, but that's been pretty much proven to be false.

Here are a few points to consider:

First - bands did not release videos back in the 70s.  VHS was not a popular format yet (it was only introduced to the public in 1976, and wasn't really mainstream until the 80s), and the idea of buying a video of a concert back then was just non-existent.  Bands rarely, if ever, filmed shows with the intent of preserving footage of themselves - they didn't really value this practice back then.

Second - the video exists only because they had two giant screens at Earls Court, just like Led Zeppelin did in 1975.  What you see on the Led Zeppelin DVD is the video taken from those screens.  You can be sure the complete videos of both nights exist in Queen's archives.

Third - the audio dropouts are irrelevant, as what we have heard is the video feed, not necessarily what was recorded from the soundboard.  The band most likely have a far superior audio source in their archives.

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A possible fourth - Not one single audience shot, which wouldn't have made it a  very convincing live release.


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Posted: 12 Aug 10, 18:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So if the cameras were for the screen, then why was it recorded????
The knebworth show in 1986 also used cameras for the giant screen, but no complete footage exists of the show like it did for Earl's Court!!! Or so Brian claims...


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Posted: 13 Aug 10, 02:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

About Knebworth we already talk many times on site.

My personal opinion is that the show exist, but probably it hasn t got great shots or is pretty much what we saw on the giant screen...for have an idea like the first night at Wembley....

Put it out as official Dvd it ll be a risk, cause we are used to watch Wembley with 15 cameras etc..etc..
In other words it ll not reach the standards of quality and perfection of the band.
I don t believe what Brian says about that..

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Posted: 13 Aug 10, 03:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Knebworth :

Official claim - the concert was not filmed, no video exists
Reality - ALL songs between Is This The World We Created and God Save The Queen are professionally filmed by the DoRo crew together with a lot of pre-concert shots, interviews etc ... They followed the band the whole day, they have been with them the whole day backstage. Bits of every song from this second half of the concert (and the pre-concert stuff) were released on many many documentaries (OK not all, no bits from Rock You and FWBF are available now)

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Posted: 13 Aug 10, 03:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote:

Indeed, that seems to be from the second night, since it doesn't match the first.  There have been little bits and pieces of the second night seen here and there, mostly in documentaries.


Great catch, guys. I seriously have to update my Earls Court DVD set :-)

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Posted: 13 Aug 10, 03:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fuckin' hell !

What a concert !

And...bits from Anglia Tv, BBc...documentaries..etc..etc..

The best stuff is read everything, but make your opinion about that !

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Posted: 13 Aug 10, 10:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

marvinp01 wrote:

"So if the cameras were for the screen, then why was it recorded????"

Because it's really not too hard to press the red button when most of the work had already been done by the people who worked at the venue.


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Posted: 13 Aug 10, 13:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote: That's what we thought for years, but that's been pretty much proven to be false.

Here are a few points to consider:

First - bands did not release videos back in the 70s.  VHS was not a popular format yet (it was only introduced to the public in 1976, and wasn't really mainstream until the 80s), and the idea of buying a video of a concert back then was just non-existent.  Bands rarely, if ever, filmed shows with the intent of preserving footage of themselves - they didn't really value this practice back then.

Second - the video exists only because they had two giant screens at Earls Court, just like Led Zeppelin did in 1975.  What you see on the Led Zeppelin DVD is the video taken from those screens.  You can be sure the complete videos of both nights exist in Queen's archives.

Third - the audio dropouts are irrelevant, as what we have heard is the video feed, not necessarily what was recorded from the soundboard.  The band most likely have a far superior audio source in their archives.

When i said audio dropouts  i meant microphone failure, therefore the soundboard recordings arent complete because the mic failed to record those particular parts in Tie Your mother down and Ogre battle and who knows where else it failed. IMO
Im a bit confused on how a video feed can have audio??


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Posted: 14 Aug 10, 14:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

marvinp01 wrote:

"When i said audio dropouts  i meant microphone failure, therefore the soundboard recordings arent complete because the mic failed to record those particular parts in Tie Your mother down and Ogre battle and who knows where else it failed. IMO"

But the thing is, we can't prove that the microphone actually failed in some way.  It's possible that there were two separate recordings being made - one for a multi-track recording and another basic mono mix being fed to the cameras, both with different settings and mixes - and that it failed on only the latter.

Case in point - Hyde Park 76.  On the video, the first line of Bohemian Rhapsody ("so you think you can stone me") isn't heard, but on the audience recording it's clear as day.  So if Freddie was heard in the speakers, then it's possible that's what was being recorded by the band, different from the audio that was being fed to the cameras.  This is entirely possible for Earls Court as well.


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Posted: 15 Aug 10, 04:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

community wrote: Is it true that the Queen concert at Earls Court was not only a tour in support of the album "A Day at the races", I quote" The British leg of the tour was known as the Jubilee Tour - the reason being that it coincided with the Queen's Silver Jubilee"? Yes, the gigs did coincide with the Queen's jubilee celebrations and hence the name of the band's tour in that name.

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Posted: 15 Aug 10, 07:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

marvinp01 wrote:
Earl's Court was filmed with the intention of being their first Live video release. Unfortunately, due to the bad audio dropouts in 'Tie Your Mother Down' and 'Ogre Battle,' the project was shelved was shelved...  both nights were filmed i believe.

Even if the microphone did competely fail this is no reason to shelve a release. It is something quite easily repaired with an overdub.

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Posted: 09 Sep 10, 03:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Any idea where can I find the clip in best possible quality and at the same time, as long as possible ? I am planning to update my Earls Court DVD set so I am searching for every possible source for the second night.

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Posted: 25 Sep 11, 06:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is it possible to find the first copies of the video gig in Earls Court  1977?


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