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Posted: 07 Sep 10, 02:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have long had the idea to fix the sound that is available from the legendary concert for the people of Kampuchea, using two sound sources that are available, the big problem with that is that both sources are at a different speed speed .

Because of this, I had to resort to the technique of trial and error, and after several months of testing, I have found the right combination, resulting in a sound balance between the console and the audience.

All this I did using "Audacity", "Sound Forge" and "Adobe Audition", giving a pretty good result, unfortunately I have still some problems with equalization, therefore I need opinions on how the remaining work to achieve just the highest possible quality.

Demo youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtL44l3V6FY (thanks user queenhouse)

Well, here it is:

Queen

26/12/1979 London, Hammersmith Odeon

Lineage 1: Audience> Silver Bootleg> CDR (0)> WAV (CDex)> FLAC (Front-end) level 4
Lineage2: Console Mono> DVD-VHS Crazy tour > WAV> FLAC

Matriz: Flac Level 4

Set List:

01. Jailhouse Rock + We Will Rock You (fast) (Ver.Final)
02. Let me entertain you (Ver. Final)
03. Somebody to love
04. 39`
04. We Will Rock You (slow)

Soon:

06. We are champions
07 Death two legs

http://www.mediafire.com/?f85wigb3qy88igb
http://www.mediafire.com/?und22m2fnhp10mz
http://www.mediafire.com/?s3417t8nv9hif68
http://www.mediafire.com/?4u4az8ezg4tf3e8
http://www.mediafire.com/?l65aw68l0c4pu54

PD: Fixed some text

Update:

-10 Sept/2010: EQ fijo "39 '"
-13 Sept/2010: Added "Somebody To love"


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Posted: 07 Sep 10, 06:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm sorry but I have no idea what are you sharing here :-)

Is this some kind of "matrix" made from the TV source and the audience source ? Because you wrote information about 2 sources. BTW it's proJect, and not proyect :-)

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Posted: 07 Sep 10, 07:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is a sort of mixture between the bootleg audio and audio console, something to achieve a balanced sound quality

PS: Sorry for my poor English, but it is not my native language.


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Posted: 07 Sep 10, 09:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's a great idea, and thanks for your hard work... but Pittrek has already done something like this..

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1113366/best-of-the-best-1979.aspx?page=4

It's called a 'matrix'... when you take two sources and play them at the same time.

Always check the links from Queenconcerts.com, and you can see what has already been shared.


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Posted: 07 Sep 10, 11:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote:  "It's called a 'matrix...'

Whoa!


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Posted: 07 Sep 10, 13:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Keanu Reeves wrote: Sir GH wrote:  "It's called a 'matrix...'

Whoa!

Whooaaa!! It's that Keanu Reeves dude, dudes! Station!!
But seriously, that's the best bad joke I've read in two hours.

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Posted: 07 Sep 10, 18:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've heard Pittrek work, and it seems pretty good, however, I saw that some songs have dramas with the mixtures, precisely because the speed of the two sources were not in sync (I know it's hard, I take months trying to me achieve exact synchrony, even with a margin of error thousandth)

Nevertheless, I repeat version is pretty good, but lacks solve this problem, however, although I have not much time to work with sound sources, I'm doing everything possible to achieve the desired high quality of official concerts .

So, I need opinions. Help me a lot.


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Posted: 07 Sep 10, 23:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The source material isn't perfect, so no amount of work will make it sound like it's an official release.  Pittrek's version is probably as good as it'll get, unless the band release the show themselves.


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Posted: 08 Sep 10, 01:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well it's definitely worth to hear an alternate version and compare which one is better :-)

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Posted: 08 Sep 10, 03:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well i can't match with Pittrek's version immediately but this is surely worth to listen to.

Thanks for your hard work and for sharing !

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Posted: 08 Sep 10, 13:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I still have yet to correct things, the idea is that between now and year-end list has songs that can be mixed.


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Posted: 09 Sep 10, 07:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like your matrix, but there could be indeed a lot improvement through the right EQ treatment. I played a bit with Audacity, and here's what I got. Might not be perfect, but surely a further improvement. The curve I used is (replace "[" and "]" with "<" and ">"):

[equalizationeffect]
[curve name="Hammy79-4217-2"]
[point f="20.000000000000" d="-26.990989685059"/]
[point f="44.916230156459" d="25.822071075439"/]
[point f="69.333810769408" d="12.250000000000"/]
[point f="78.822570649255" d="10.774776458740"/]
[point f="99.882996131855" d="10.774776458740"/]
[point f="139.695665396404" d="-1.027027130127"/]
[point f="332.863729781531" d="-3.387386322021"/]
[point f="725.746010661152" d="-3.977474212646"/]
[point f="1153.935542633602" d="-2.797294616699"/]
[point f="2371.316322718483" d="-2.207206726074"/]
[point f="3064.788701927736" d="-2.797294616699"/]
[point f="4503.157209631097" d="-3.977474212646"/]
[point f="7902.498185275893" d="-3.092342376709"/]
[point f="10417.068802544567" d="-3.092342376709"/]
[/curve]
[/equalizationeffect]

For the sound, listen to the attachment!

Attachment: 104309724912995.flac 26 MB
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Posted: 09 Sep 10, 07:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And here's a screenshot of my adjustments.

Attachment: 1044092116218693.png 78 KB
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Posted: 09 Sep 10, 22:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

thanks for the help, but I could not download the flac, anyway I'm arranging the song "39 '" which I think was the worst I stay equalized.

What do you base that song to get the fix? It would be useful to me, that between reducing the hiss noise, saturation and noise, I was somewhat in quality. If only I had a better source of the songs on consoles ...


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Posted: 10 Sep 10, 00:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I could fix the equalization of "39", now is "almost perfect"

I did not greatly increase the bass, because there are headphones that are over saturated but they can easily increase you comfortable with the equalizer on the music player they use. (For example, using JetAudio Machbass)

Here goes:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FZ8YF9GV

PS: now be on megaupload, but I will soon upload it to mediafire.


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Posted: 10 Sep 10, 00:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I took your file (Jailhouse Rock+We Will Rock You fast) and applied an eq curve to it after counterchecking with several sources and the 1977 BBC recording of the song. And then I listened and changed, listened and changed ... till it sounded good. The values I posted are the EQ values for the Audacity EQ preset xml file. Search for it and then paste the values to it. After that you can find it in the Equalizer preset menu. Or just take the screenshot and try to copy the adjustments from there.

I compared your matrix to Pittrek's, and in my opinion yours sounds slightly better (after equalizing) - though this can be based on personal opinion, the headphones I used, and I only compared WWRY (fast). In  Pittrek's matrix the bass is more diffuse and sounds a bit distorted, which has an effect on the voice parts and guitar too. In Pittrek's matrix  the higher frequencies are at least as clear as in your version. Both versions suffer from a wandering stereo base, which can't be repaired without extremely tedious work. It seems that you did very well in matching the different sources. Or is WWRY (fast) only one source? I can't hear any echo effects or "washed-out" dynamics in your edit.


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Posted: 10 Sep 10, 01:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I went testing, and seems to listen better, "We will rock you fast" and "Let Me Entertain You." I will continue investigating tomorrow (Since they are 3 in the morning in my country :S ), thank you very much for the advice.

With respect to whether one or two sources: For they are two sources, I take about 5 months to find the perfect speed to just not go out "echo" or "washed out", call me thorough or insane xD, but I wanted to stay as perfect as possible .

PD: Mediafire Link available


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Posted: 10 Sep 10, 01:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes ,Yes Neokaden,I understand You very well!
  Because i also trying to create matrix of last night in Buenos Aires 1981  for 9 months already!and it still  far from good thing..

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Posted: 10 Sep 10, 02:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I never tried to do a matrix, because I can imagine how difficult it is. With equalizing you get a decent result on most recordings in short time, but of course that's not all you have to do to get a "perfect" result. Noise reduction, removal of errors, stereo separation etc. cost a lot more time, that's why I'm satisfied with a "quick 90% improvement", if I do my own amateur "remasterings". My EQ on your matrix is only a suggestion for such a "quick 90% improvement", and if you take your time, you will get nearer to 100% for sure.

Anyway, the most important factor is to use the optimum source recordings!


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Posted: 11 Sep 10, 03:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Now I tried your way of equalization (although using sound forge), and really noticed an improvement in the sound, or at least is now more balanced and richer are low, although a little lower down.

I'll take it into account and evaluated, but for now, leave the songs as well, as all have a similar treatment, it will only reach and implement equalization.

PD: Soon ... "Somebody To Love"


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