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Posted: 30 Sep 10, 18:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Can anybody help me out on this?


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Posted: 30 Sep 10, 19:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi

I have a vague recollection of it being Nov / Dec 90...will need to have a think.  Check the link out below which dates it at 23.11.90.

Hope this helps!

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http://www.btinternet.com/~darren.robins/queen_thevideos/videos_innuendo.htm

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Posted: 30 Sep 10, 19:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jesus: It was filmed in November 1990 (I assume the blue shirt footage), then the performance footage was APRIL 1991!

I thought Headlong came before Slightly mad!


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Posted: 30 Sep 10, 21:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Okay, some detective work, hope this helps...

According the Innuendo Electronic Press Kit, which features a very clear few frames on the clapboard from behind-the-scenes footage of the "Headlong" video shoot at Metropolis Studios, the date for that shooting was: 23/11/90 (which would be November 23rd, 1990)

The video shoot would be complete no later than the end of November, as the EPK features almost the entire video and the EPK would have to be assembled in December for release to TV stations in January for the February 4th release of the album.

It appears that shooting "Headlong" was the first thing the band did after finishing the album (probably as the "Innuendo" video was commissioned, but since that didn't require any actual performance work from them, they shot "Headlong" and the EPK interviews and behind-the-scenes material at Metropolis).

"Innuendo" was released as a single on January 14, 1991, meaning the video (the various different cuts) was complete for this date, though probably by the end of December 1990.

"Headlong" was released in the US on January 15, 1991, which probably means it was finished as well by the end of December (as noted, it appears almost in it's entirety on the EPK. However, there are one or two *minor* alternate cuts in the EPK "Headlong" footage, so it's likely they were editting the three ["Innuendo", "Headlong" and the EPK] over the course of the month of December).

There's no footage from "Slightly Mad" or "Days Of Our Lives" so that probably means that they were shot after December 1990.

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Posted: 01 Oct 10, 02:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As far as i know IGSM was filmed around feb 91 and Tatdool was in May 91

i know headlong was filmed on 2 separate occasions though but i think whats said above is probably true

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Posted: 01 Oct 10, 03:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlong_%28song%29

The music video for Headlong was one of the final Queen videos shot with lead singer Freddie Mercury. The Headlong video clip heavily featured the group's lead singer, although it was actually shot before the I'm Going Slightly Mad video. The video showed the band in the studio performing the song (in a stage-like setup), as well as shots of the band generally fooling about and working in the studio. The version of the song in the video includes an extra short section after the second chorus not released in any audio format to date.

The performance footage (Mercury wearing a yellow sweater) was shot in February 1991, while the other footage (Mercury wearing two different blue shirts) were shot in late 1990 at Metropolis Studios in London (The footage of Mercury wearing a blue shirt with a tie was shot in fall of 1990--notice his healthier appearance; the footage of Mercury wearing a blue shirt with a darker vest was shot in November 1990--with a slightly more gaunt appearance in his face and neck).

The outside of Metropolis Studios is also shown at the beginning and the end of the video. This is also the last colour video of Freddie Mercury. The next one, I'm Going Slightly Mad, was recorded in black and white.


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Posted: 01 Oct 10, 07:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Re: Wiki Entry

That Feb. 1991 detail can not be correct because Freddie is seen wearing the yellow sweater in the EPK, in the "Headlong" Clip, which is basically the entire video intercut with interviews. I have the EPK and watched it before posting.

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Posted: 01 Oct 10, 09:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

All I know, is that Freddie looks way worse in the yellow sweater than the Blue shirts--leading me to believe that there was two different time frames for that video!


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Posted: 01 Oct 10, 13:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I once read somewhere that Freddie in blue shirt was from September 1990 while Freddie in yellow sweater was from February 1991

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Posted: 02 Oct 10, 11:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

November 23, 1990. Almost to the day of Freddie's passing. If you look really close to the video you can see in one shot the clapboard and when frozen it states the date of the shoot.

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Posted: 02 Oct 10, 12:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, that's the blue shirt footage!

I'm trying to figure out when the Yellow shirt footage was filmed!


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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 14:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yellow shirt footage was filmed no later than the end of November.

It is NOT possible for it to have been shot in February 1991.

The "Headlong" video appears more or less fully editted in the EPK, including the yellow shirt/sweater footage. From the look of ALL the behind the scenes footage, it appears that it was shot over no more than a couple of days, simultaneous to the shooting of some of the EPK interviews. One of those dates was Nov. 23rd, 1990.

Throughout the EPK, you see behind the scenes shots of:

The band in the mixing booth/control room (wearing multiple outfits, including Freddie in the blue shirt and tie, and Brian in both the magenta suit AND the Bart Simpson t-shirt). Though the window of the booth during this footage, you see into the studio, the set up (drum kit, spot lights, hazer, etc ) for the "performance" part of the video (where Freddie wears the yellow shirt)

Brian playing/miming the extended guitar bit at the top of the steps with the spotlights around him.

The band piled up on the shelf for the "hoop-diddy-diddy" (again, the band is dressed differently).

So, despite Freddie's appearance, the timeline can NOT lie:

The EPK, "Innuendo" video and "Headlong" video HAD to be completed by the end of December, 1990. The DoRo boys shot the "Headlong" video and the EPK at the same time, while animators were working on the "Innuendo" video.

"Innuendo" single and video were released in the UK January 14th, 1991.

"Headlong" single and video were released in the US January 15th, 1991.

The Electronic Press Kit was issued in the early-to-middle of January in order to promote those two singles AND the forthcoming Innuendo album. The production stamp at the beginning of the EPK says 1991, referring to the year of issue, but gives no other calendar detail (you don't put the date it was recorded, you stamp it with the date of release).

Innuendo (album) was released February 4th, 1991 in the UK (Feb. 5th in the US). (You would NOT issue an EPK after this point. An EPK is part of an advance promotional package.)

I don't know where the February 1991 "yellow shirt" date came from originally, but it appears by all available visual evidence to be wrong.

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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 14:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.btinternet.com:80/~darren.robins/queen_thevideos/videos_innuendo.htm

Well on this link, it gives 11/23/1990 as a date, then it gives an APRIL 1991 date???!


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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 15:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Interesting site, but he doesn't name his sources.

All of my conclusions above are based on appears clearly in the EPK cross-referenced with the known release dates. I don't think I was stretching plausibility anywhere in my assessment. If there's a margin for error in my examination, it's at most a difference of a week to 10 days in terms of the recording of the EPK, "Headlong" and "Innuendo" footage. The release dates are written in stone and a matter of record.

Certainly alternate cuts appear of different videos, but they all use the same original footage (at least the videos we're all discussing here do).

Unless new concrete information comes to light, I hold to my previous conclusion: "Headlong" video was shot at the end of Nov. '90 (MAYBE into earlier December, but I doubt it, given the timeline of releases in Jan. and Feb.).

It appears DoRo edited the "Headlong" and "Innuendo" footage into, at least, early cuts of the videos before inserting those nearly (or fully) completed into the EPK.

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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 00:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well why does Freddie look worse in the Yellow sweater?


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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 02:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't know why Freddie looks the way he does, but my guess is he had good days and bad days. Maybe...

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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 02:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

or maybe different make up or spot light. such things can change a look-a-like a lot.

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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 02:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Here's what's stumping me:

The blue shirt footage is definitely from 11/23/1990 (I saw the date during the making of Headlong), yet he looks healthier and not as "dead" in the face--compared with the yellow sweater footage.

I almost want to say that the yellow sweater was filmed a bit later, but then that contradicts RhyeKing's detective work.

BOB?!?!

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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 05:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the majority of the shots were taken before Freddie passed.


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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 06:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

in a rockline interview around the time of the US release of Innuendo, brian and roger said freddie was back in london working on a video. (and I think he mentiones "headlong"). of course, it could simply mean he (fred) was overseeing the editing. or, also likely, it might be a lie to explain why fred wasn't doing interviews