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Posted: 02 Oct 10, 16:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Not sure if this has been talked about but:  Did the original "We Will Rock You" version of the Montreal 1981 footage look better than the "Rock Montreal" version?  I feel that it had nicer colors, not necessarily more clarity, just nicer tones than the "remastered" version.  what do you think?


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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 13:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

IMHO, Rock Montreal pisses all over We Will Rock You in terms of colour, clarity, definition and sound, especially the Blu-Ray version.  I absolutely love Rock Montreal, it made that show much more exciting for me.


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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 14:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agreed.  Rock Montreal absolutely destroys the old Mobilevision versions, as they cleaned up every single frame.  ~30 fps x 60 seconds x 90 minutes = ~162,000 frames.  I can't imagine how much work went into it.  It's probably the best quality we'll ever see (and hear) for a Queen concert, unless similar work is done for Budapest some day.


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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 14:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Giving equal weight to Thistleboy and Sir GH, I can only conclude that We Will Rock you was destroyed by Rock Montreal pee.  I'll adjust as necessary for any future superlatives.

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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 15:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And seriously, watching Rock Montreal for the first time on Blu-Ray actually made me tear up.  For real.

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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 15:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

We Will Rock You - 2001 edition had far superior video, Queen Rock Montreal had much better audio.

QRM ruined the colours absolutely, they look incredibly "random" and seriously bad. Also the heavy noise reduction was done carelessly, which gave the video a "plastic" look on many different spots.

Also the editing is different ( I would say worse) . And here are some comparison pics : 

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fqueen.musichall.cz%2Fforum%2Fforum.php%3Ftopicid%3D2116%26idshift%3D0%26st%3D2%26mt%3D9

In other words - it's the worst remastered celluloid since the terrible 2004 DVD release of Star Wars

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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 18:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Peter, every time I try to open the above link I'm told the page can't be found, so I can't see your comparison pics.  Is it possible for you to paste them here or re-link? Thanks in advance!

I just checked back on the 2001 We Will Rock You DVD release to compare with the Rock Montreal Blu-Ray and I still say Blu-Ray is better.  I feel as though Queen are in my fuckin house with that on, I really do. It is the single most impressive piece of footage released by Queen, and to add to Bob's sentiments, I really hope the likes of Budapest gets this treatment, it totally revolutionised this show as far as I'm concerned.

Confession, whether GF is joking or not, I actually welled up when I saw the RM Blu!!!


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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 19:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thistleboy 1980 wrote:

Confession, whether GF is joking or not, I actually welled up when I saw the RM Blu!!!
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Not joking.  Glad I wasn't the only one. :)

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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 21:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote: We Will Rock You - 2001 edition had far superior video, Queen Rock Montreal had much better audio.

QRM ruined the colours absolutely, they look incredibly "random" and seriously bad. Also the heavy noise reduction was done carelessly, which gave the video a "plastic" look on many different spots.

Also the editing is different ( I would say worse) . And here are some comparison pics : 

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fqueen.musichall.cz%2Fforum%2Fforum.php%3Ftopicid%3D2116%26idshift%3D0%26st%3D2%26mt%3D9

In other words - it's the worst remastered celluloid since the terrible 2004 DVD release of Star Wars

exactly! i felt that the colors (which can be seen in the comparisons) were really changed, for the worse.  The audio is fantastic, but the film's tones and just overall look, was kinda ruined.  I don't think all of the editing was bad, but some of the cropping could have been improved upon.


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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 21:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote:

We Will Rock You - 2001 edition had far superior video, Queen Rock Montreal had much better audio.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fqueen.musichall.cz%2Fforum%2Fforum.php%3Ftopicid%3D2116%26idshift%3D0%26st%3D2%26mt%3D9

In other words - it's the worst remastered celluloid since the terrible 2004 DVD release of Star Wars

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Wow.. unreal.  I stand corrected.

So it's not a complete improvement then..


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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 22:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But the original (2001) was too dark!


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Posted: 03 Oct 10, 23:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gregsynth wrote: But the original (2001) was too dark!

thats something that could have easily been corrected.  just leave the colors as they were and should be.


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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 00:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I should just rip the audio from Rock Montreal, then synch that with We Will Rock You's picture!

I'll bootleg it! lol


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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 01:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gregsynth wrote: I should just rip the audio from Rock Montreal, then synch that with We Will Rock You's picture!

I'll bootleg it! lol

hahah i should try it too! maybe, if i can get my paws on a copy of We Will Rock You.


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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 11:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Slightly off-topic, but did anyone else keep their copy of the 2001 WWRY release after QRM came out? I did, just for the Saul Swimmer commentary. It's amusing now listening to him compliment the band, while Brian and Roger's commentary totally tears him a new one. How often are we going to get two completely opposing sides of the same story?

As for visual quality, the 2001 was pretty impressive at the time, but I prefer the QRM edition.

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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 13:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

who throws anything out?? :)

the 2001 edition looks really good. too bad the audio SUCKS though.

I prefer the blu ray though - the best parts look incredible. but I agree that some of the darker parts are not very good - the colours seem unnatural.
but the audio is amazing. probably the best in my entire 500 + concert films collection

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Posted: 04 Oct 10, 15:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thistleboy 1980 wrote: IMHO, Rock Montreal pisses all over We Will Rock You in terms of colour, clarity, definition and sound, especially the Blu-Ray version.  I absolutely love Rock Montreal, it made that show much more exciting for me.

someone on here had a go at me for swearing and u writin that just made me laugh loads xD

rock on swearing, its not a bad thing, its an extention on the english language ;) (i just made that up, sorry)

and about the real question in hand, i gotta agree with thistleboy 1980

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lifetimefanofqueen wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: IMHO, Rock Montreal pisses all over We Will Rock You in terms of colour, clarity, definition and sound, especially the Blu-Ray version.  I absolutely love Rock Montreal, it made that show much more exciting for me.

someone on here had a go at me for swearing and u writin that just made me laugh loads xD

rock on swearing, its not a bad thing, its an extention on the english language ;) (i just made that up, sorry)

and about the real question in hand, i gotta agree with thistleboy 1980

Ok, so the clarity, definition, and sound were amazing on QRM, but the colors were pretty much destroyed.  The original color was completely changed to... something else.  They could have gotten amazing clarity and definition out of it and still kept the colors as they should be in tact for release.


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Posted: 05 Oct 10, 03:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I must admit I have never seen the blu-ray version (I don't own a blu-ray player and I don't plan to buy it in the near future)

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Posted: 05 Oct 10, 03:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

if you're talking dvd vs dvd, the distinction between the 2001 edt and QRM is less aparent. (and still, some of the dark bits on QRM are too dark)

blu ray though is alot better. the close ups of freddie in the opening song are almost frightening