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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 07:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Recently made a mental list of Queen songs that appear to have 'Borrowed' from other artists;

Seven seas of Ryhe (intro) - Pinball Wizard/The Who
Staying Power (riff) - Out on the tiles/Led Zep
Hammer to Fall (Bridge) - Touch too Much/AC/DC
One Vision (riff)- Highway to Hell/AC/DC
Rain must fall-Young hearts run free/Candi Staton
Another one bites the dust (obvious and well documented)-Good times/Chic
Invisible man- Ghostbusters/ray parker (spurious but I can hear it!)

I've no doubt that if I was more familiar with classical pieces then there would be a few more particularly with Freds piano pieces..

Anybody spotted anything else ?


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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 09:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Parts of 'Keep Passing the Open Windows' are a bit too cozy with Joe Jackson's 'Steppin Out'

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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 09:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Breakthru-"The Boys Of Summer" by Don Henley

Invisible Man-  "Bad" by Michael Jackson

AOBTD-  "Rappers Delight" Sugarhill Gang

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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 10:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Breakthru-"The Boys Of Summer" by Don Henley

Invisible Man-  "Bad" by Michael Jackson

AOBTD-  "Rappers Delight" Sugarhill Gang The chords in the chorus are similar on Breakthru to Boys of summer but can't see the connection otherwise. (great album - building the perfect beast, by the way)
Sugarhill gang used the backing track from Good times for Rappers delight.


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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 10:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

GratefulFan wrote: Parts of 'Keep Passing the Open Windows' are a bit too cozy with Joe Jackson's 'Steppin Out'
yeah forgot that one. Good call.


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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 10:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the difference between something 'inspired by' and something 'plagiarised from' is whether you like the involved artists or not.

Breakthru' has parts in the melody which are virtually identical note for note to the 'Summer' thing: people claim it's inspired, not stolen.

Vanilla Ice's riff is just as similar to UP as Breakthru' to BoS: Flick of the Wrist mantra.


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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 10:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote: I think the difference between something 'inspired by' and something 'plagiarised from' is whether you like the involved artists or not.

Breakthru' has parts in the melody which are virtually identical note for note to the 'Summer' thing: people claim it's inspired, not stolen.

Vanilla Ice's riff is just as similar to UP as Breakthru' to BoS: Flick of the Wrist mantra.
Inspired by, plagiarised from, is a thin line sure. Not the point, just curious to know what other people have found. Still don't see connection between Breakthru and Boys of summer except for chorus chord structure..

Vanilla Ice's riff is not just similar - it's the actual bass line sampled. I believe that's been fairly well documented.


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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 11:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indeed...and the piano "ding-dong" part too.

On Breakthru it's not just the chords its the phrasing too..."If I could only reach u, if i could make u smile"

Compared to "I can see u, your brown skin shining in the sun"...sung and paced VERY similarly...then add the guitar chords...and...well...u get the picture...lol

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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 11:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Indeed...and the piano "ding-dong" part too.

On Breakthru it's not just the chords its the phrasing too..."If I could only reach u, if i could make u smile"

Compared to "I can see u, your brown skin shining in the sun"...sung and paced VERY similarly...then add the guitar chords...and...well...u get the picture...lol
Actually, yeah I get it now, thanks. Never thought about it - good call..


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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 11:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with you about Building the Perfect Beast...great album...my favorite is the moody "Sunset Grill"...one of my favorites of all-time.  TBOS also one of the greatest pop songs ever.

LOl...I love Breakthru too(borrowed parts and all).!  Great belting vocal from Freddie.

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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 12:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PrimeJiveUSA wrote: I agree with you about Building the Perfect Beast...great album...my favorite is the moody "Sunset Grill"...one of my favorites of all-time.  TBOS also one of the greatest pop songs ever.

LOl...I love Breakthru too(borrowed parts and all).!  Great belting vocal from Freddie.
Yes Breakthru is a good moment on an album I´m not particularly fond of (like all the 80´s Queen albums really) love the intro -got a good 12" remix of it on vinyl. Mainly a Rog comp. with a bit of Fred I think. TBOS is just one of the great records and Sunset Grill is excellent but then there´s  nothing on that album I don´t like and ´´A month of sundays¨¨ is fantasic.


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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 15:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How the hell does the intro to Seven Seas of Rhye sound anything like Pinball Wizard by The Who


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Posted: 10 Nov 10, 16:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jamster1111 wrote: How the hell does the intro to Seven Seas of Rhye sound anything like Pinball Wizard by The Who

Yeah, i'm inclined to agree with that.. but i kinda see what
they're getting at... different keys but similar modulation. Long
ringing power chords...

I still don't believe the accusation/suggestion carries too much weight,
but i enjoy this topic cause it'll key me into other songs i don't
know...

...BTW: i've heard a song that sounds incredibly like KEEP PASSING THE
OPEN WINDOWS...only i'd never found out who played it... UNTIL NOW!!

(godawful song IMHO... Queen Trumped it even if it's derivative)

Still nothing as bad as "He's So Fine"/ "My Sweet Lord"

Just don't call up the 50's rock n roll thing.. that was like a pattern
to itself... as far as Crazy Little Thing goes...

COOL TOPIC!


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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 02:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mother Love = Big Log by Robert Plant
Get Down Make Love = Whole Lotta Love by Led Zep
Still Burnin (QPR) = Black Dog by Led Zep

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 02:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Scissor Sisters have a song called Mama and the rhythm is very similar in style to Tie Your Mother Down

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 10:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dont Try Suicide is Walking on the Moon by the Police obv.

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 11:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Was all worth it - The guns of Navaron theme music, especially after 2:50 towards the end is more clear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvM4q0Vbsy0&feature=related

But it is inspiration, because it was used very clever and create a great rock "unknown Queen gem"

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Posted: 12 Nov 10, 06:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

rubbertommywatergun wrote: Dont Try Suicide is Walking on the Moon by the Police obv.
More parody than Plagiarised I think...


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Posted: 12 Nov 10, 06:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dim wrote: Was all worth it - The guns of Navaron theme music, especially after 2:50 towards the end is more clear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvM4q0Vbsy0&feature=related

But it is inspiration, because it was used very clever and create a great rock "unknown Queen gem"
Yes i can see that but it does bare similarity to alot of incidental movie music and it was a trick they used before on The Hero which actually DID have incidental movie music..

As far as "Was it all worth it" being a gem is concerned, well, I just can't agree. The lyrics are just awful - although musically it's alot of fun..


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Posted: 12 Nov 10, 06:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"sounds vaguely like" =/= plagiarism

Most of the examples mentioned above are not plagiarism by any definition. If two songs share a chord-progression, this does not make it plagiarism. If two songs share cadences this is not plagiarism. If a song features a literal, unaltered fragment longer than four bars of another song without acknowledging the original authorship, *that* is plagiarism.


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