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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 02:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Have they not already been remasted before and also sent out in various guises?

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 03:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's all about the money.


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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 03:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jazz and Innuendo sound TERRIBLE. Jazz has very serious problems with the drum sound, Innuendo misses bass.

A complete remaster / remix could help it a lot

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 05:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So we can have this conversation about the B Sides.

"There seems to be a lot less 'compression' and the mid-range frequency, I'd say around 1.6K, has been brought up to give Chinese Torture a magical sound.  It sounds like a whole new song."

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 05:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The following reasons:

1. Money
2. Loudness war
3. Money
4. Removal of unwanted noises
5. Money
6. New technology
7. Money
8. Money
9. Last but not least: money


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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 07:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote: Jazz and Innuendo sound TERRIBLE. Jazz has very serious problems with the drum sound, Innuendo misses bass.

A complete remaster / remix could help it a lot

I'll second both of those

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 12:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I must get my ears checked.

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 12:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote: Jazz and Innuendo sound TERRIBLE. Jazz has very serious problems with the drum sound, Innuendo misses bass.

A complete remaster / remix could help it a lot
another vote for remastering/remixing those two albums.  Both are great albums for me, but the production isn't so great.  other albums could Benefit are the first album and Queen2.

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 14:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Get the Japanese CDs from the eighties. They sound really good. Including Jazz.


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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 14:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

We'll second the comments regarding 'Jazz' and 'Innuendo'.

And add a third.....how about 'Live Killers'?  And, as a bonus, include 'FBG', 'It's Late', 'IYCB'em', and 'STL'.    Moving on, we bought the EMI disks as imports when they first came out, got screwed on the HR 'remastering' and errors, and have not purchased any of the so called 'enhancements' since then.  And refuse to be gullible this time around as well......unless.......there's something worthwhile added.

Hell....I'd buy 'Flash' remastered if it had 'The Hero' trailer version, a stand alone 'Wedding March' , some unavailable live tracks, and, .....all the movie dialogue removed.


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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 14:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

idk, i cant think of any, i love all queen songs no matter what :L

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 15:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with all the comments posted on this board.
I feel lot of the Queen albums lack ambience, and could use some serious remixing to bring the instrumentation to the party.

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 15:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

lifetimefanofqueen wrote: idk, i cant think of any, i love all queen songs no matter what :L

Oh just get the fuck out of here.

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 15:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think they'd make a hell of a lot more money if they released more live performances.


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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 16:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd love a first-rate remaster of Hot Space...AND Live Killers(my favorite live album by far).

Innuendo and Jazz, too, of course.

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Posted: 11 Nov 10, 20:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What about the debut album? I always thought that it could be a better album with better production (specially the drums sound). Also, I would include other songs like Mad The Swine and Polar Bear (replacing The Night Comes Down), and change the Son&Daughter album version for the BBC Sessions one, but that's another story.

In my opinion, ADATR and NOTW are the best sounding records.


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Posted: 12 Nov 10, 03:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

*goodco* wrote:
And add a third.....how about 'Live Killers'?  And, as a bonus, include 'FBG', 'It's Late', 'IYCB'em', and 'STL'.    

I think 'Live Killers' needs proper recreation from multitracks with complete remixing and omitted tracks in the right places in the setlist. The same thing with 'Live Magic' which also needs proper recreation of preferably the complete typical Magic Tour setlist compiled from best moment of same 4 concerts used for original album without any shortened versions of the songs.

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Posted: 12 Nov 10, 04:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Being a musician and having my own studio I would have to say that the whole 're-mastering' term is a pretty broad one.  Firstly, there is a big difference between re-mastering and remixing.  Mastering, is generally a process that occurs after the final mix has been made.  In the old days (pre-digital), this mean't that all the tracks had been EQ'd, panned, bounced, and levelled.  The engineer and producer would sit together (usually with the band) and hit play.  As the song played back they would in real-time tweak and manipulate the individual tracks as to how they wanted various changes in the song to occur.  When the playback stopped, the master track would be played back and listened to.  The mix of the master track would have to be re-done until an acceptable master track had been agreed upon.  This could take hours, days, or even weeks!  Then the true mastering would really only begin.  The stereo master would be analyzed and further levelling, noise reduction or boosting, eq'ing, compression, and so on, would be applied.

Who knows if anything will be done to further enhance Queen's recordings.  For one thing, I doubt they will touch the mixing side.  Too complicated and not to mention that some of the original parts of the multitracks are probably missing (yes, gone forever! 'Coming Soon' - the opening vocals weren't on the multitracks when 'The Game' was remixed for surround sound) or can't be used due to some sort of damage.  I do think that remastering will happen - but I can't tell you how or when!

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Posted: 12 Nov 10, 05:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well i have not got all the albums and was planning to get the rest of them in the next few months, now shall i wait till the remasters where they are probably expensive or just go to Amazon and get them quite cheap?

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Posted: 12 Nov 10, 05:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

youngballantyne wrote: Being a musician and having my own studio I would have to say that the whole 're-mastering' term is a pretty broad one.  Firstly, there is a big difference between re-mastering and remixing.  Mastering, is generally a process that occurs after the final mix has been made.  In the old days (pre-digital), this mean't that all the tracks had been EQ'd, panned, bounced, and levelled.  The engineer and producer would sit together (usually with the band) and hit play.  As the song played back they would in real-time tweak and manipulate the individual tracks as to how they wanted various changes in the song to occur.  When the playback stopped, the master track would be played back and listened to.  The mix of the master track would have to be re-done until an acceptable master track had been agreed upon.  This could take hours, days, or even weeks!  Then the true mastering would really only begin.  The stereo master would be analyzed and further levelling, noise reduction or boosting, eq'ing, compression, and so on, would be applied.

Who knows if anything will be done to further enhance Queen's recordings.  For one thing, I doubt they will touch the mixing side.  Too complicated and not to mention that some of the original parts of the multitracks are probably missing (yes, gone forever! 'Coming Soon' - the opening vocals weren't on the multitracks when 'The Game' was remixed for surround sound) or can't be used due to some sort of damage.  I do think that remastering will happen - but I can't tell you how or when!

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Agree... and that's my point of QP announcing a REMASTER of these albums. The main public doesn't now they get tricked and spending money for nothing. Okay maybe a nice new package. But the final mix is the final mix.


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