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Posted: 13 Nov 10, 07:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In this topic I want to share my assumptions on audio/video content for forthcoming 40th anniversary Deluxe reissues.

Here are the first two albums:

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QUEEN (1973 Deluxe 3CD+1DVD edition)
CD1 (album)
10 tracks
CD2: (studio bonus)
Previously released:
1. Keep Yourself Alive (long lost retake)
2. Mad The Swine
3. Liar (1991 Remix)
Early sessions:
1. Polar Bear
2. Silver Salmon
3. Hangman (???)
X. ?
De Lane Lea session:
1. Keep Yourself Alive
2. Liar
3. The Night Comes Down (???)
4. Jesus
Trident session:
1. The Night Comes Down (original Trident version)
X. ? (outtake)
X. ? (alternate take)
2011 Remixes/Instrumentals:
X. ?

CD3: (live bonus)
Marquee 1972 complete concert recording
DVD:
Promos:
1. Keep Yourself alive (OGWT version)
2. Keep Yourself Alive (Brewer Street)
3. Liar (Brewer Street)
4. Keep Yourself Alive (St Johns Woods)
5. Liar (St Johns Woods)
Studio/Interviews footage:
X. ?
Live footage:
X. ?
QUEEN II (1974 Deluxe 2CD+1DVD edition)
CD1 (album)
12 tracks
CD2 (studio bonus)
Previously released:
1. See What A Fool I've Been
Trident session:
X. ? (outtake)
X. ? (alternate take)
2011 Remixes/Instrumentals:
X. ?
DVD:
TV appearances:
1. Seven Seas Of Rhye (TOTP 1st version)
2. Seven Seas Of Rhye (TOTP 2nd version)
Studio/Interviews footage:
X. ?
Live footage:
X. ?

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Posted: 13 Nov 10, 07:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There's no Golders Green Hippodrome/BBC sessions material here, because I think this material needs to be released in separate 'BBC Sessions/In Concert' project.

Any comments?

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Posted: 14 Nov 10, 09:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm looking forward to seeing what we get, but in all fairness that list is fantasy.

Anybody seriously expecting this kind of product is setting themselves up for disappointment.


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Posted: 14 Nov 10, 16:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"40th ann. Deluxe 1973-1995 reissues (assumptions)"#

See the previous 10 million threads about possible box set inclusions.......

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Posted: 15 Nov 10, 02:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

2 all:
It's not foolish hope or something. I simply imagined the best way to represent the back catalogue from my point of view. Also the aim is to collect all known material from each album period in one place.

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Posted: 15 Nov 10, 09:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There is no reason on earth to add DVDs to any of these re-issues.

Let's have the audio on audio releases - the Universal Deluxe programme more than ably caters for this.

Let's have the DVDs released as DVDs with packaging that compliments the existing EMI releases and available in the DVD section of any music retailer.

Those who don't want DVDs shouldn't have to have them if they ONLY want the audio.


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Posted: 15 Nov 10, 19:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can see where you're coming from Benn, but I think times have changed, and many deluxe edition CD's now come with DVD's It's added value and some of the stuff that CMI proposes might not be suited to a proper one off release....ie there simply might not be enough material or be of high enough quality to warrant a full length DVD. The promos for the tunes from Queen 1 would make a nice compliment to the regular album and other bonus tracks mentioned.

Still, I could see just including the promos, and any int. footage, or tv appearences, but the longer concerts should get their own proper release. A DVD two-fer of Rainbow and Hammersmith Odeon + bonuses would be nice.  Ahhh to dream....

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Posted: 16 Nov 10, 04:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Benn wrote: There is no reason on earth to add DVDs to any of these re-issues.

Let's have the audio on audio releases - the Universal Deluxe programme more than ably caters for this.

Let's have the DVDs released as DVDs with packaging that compliments the existing EMI releases and available in the DVD section of any music retailer.

Those who don't want DVDs shouldn't have to have them if they ONLY want the audio.

With the music industry in total shambles, record labels will try and add as much added value content to CDs as they can to help improve sales. I have no problem with this. There are some live concerts that Queen Productions simply don't think is up to snuff video/audio wise so a stand alone release for them is highly questionable but if they are viewed as simply "bonus content" then they might be more likely to give the go ahead for them to be released.

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Posted: 16 Nov 10, 11:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Michael,

You're absolutely right, of course, but it kind of ruins the excitement of having *music* available to buy again when you're forced to have something as bonus content but which is is a completely different format.

Let's face it, how much time do we all REALLY have to sit and watch music DVDs?  I managed to get the wife to allow me to watch the first part of one of the DVDs included in Springsteens "Darkness" box set last night and that eeked out to a hour before she'd had enough of me spending that time.

Audio though - absolutely no problem giving ANYTHING multiple rotations at the volume I choose in the car.

:-)

It's all personal and subjective in terms of choice, of course, but my preference is to keep audio and video material separate in the same way as it is to keep live and studio audio recordings separate.


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Posted: 17 Nov 10, 03:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I totally agree with Kamenliter's point of view. I think Bonus DVD is a great opportunity to collect all related to the album video stuff in one place, such as promos, interviews, specials, live snippets and etc...

And I'll be more pleased to see such major concerts as Rainbow (March/November 1974), Hammersmith 1975, Hyde Park 1976...etc. as separate DVD releases than to receive them as bonus content. But I don't think that if QP ever release Marquee/Rainbow stuff, it will be separate audio or video release. It's most likely will be a bonus stuff or Live Box component.

2 Benn:
Check out the latest Paul McCartney & Wings' Band On The Run reissue by Universal.

It has 3 options to buy:
1CD (album itself)
2CD+1DVD (album cd+bonus stuff cd and dvd with related video stuff)
3CD+1DVD (same as above + audio documentary CD with hard cover large book)

So the Queen reissues also can be released with 2-3 different options for each album.

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Posted: 17 Nov 10, 03:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And yet nobody seems to want surround sound mixes of the albums.
What's up folks? Aren't you interested in hearing instruments you've either never heard before or barely hear because they're so low in the mix?

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Posted: 17 Nov 10, 03:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

brians wig wrote: And yet nobody seems to want surround sound mixes of the albums.
What's up folks? Aren't you interested in hearing instruments you've either never heard before or barely hear because they're so low in the mix?

More to do with the fact that I haven't got a decent 5:1 system, and can't really be bothered to get one, to be honest.

Also, just to point out that all 3 of the Abba Deluxe reissues, apart from the usual b-sides on Disc 1, are coupled with a DVD for the bonus disc.  No extra audios at all.  I suspect this will be the case for the Queen ones, from Queen II onwards.

Queen I may not even be a "deluxe" (i.e. 2-disc) set.  When the 7 Moody Blues albums were tackled, only 3 of them were doubles, with the rest featuring any bonus material on the same disc as the original album.

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Posted: 17 Nov 10, 04:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

2 brian wig:
Of course 5.1 versions of albums are much appreciated. But it seems DVD-A and SACD today are not much promising formats. I think all multichannel stuff to be released on blu-rays in the future. And it possibly will be a separate project.
But it's great to receive adiitional disk in the set  with 5.1 new mix.

Here are the 1974-1977 assumptions:

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SHEER HEART ATTACK (1974 Deluxe 2CD+1DVD edition)

CD1 (album)
13 tracks

CD2 (studio bonus)
Previously released:
1. Flick Of The Wrist (standalone version)
2. Tenement Funster (standalone version)
3. Stone Cold Crazy (1991 Remix)
Sessions:
X. ? (outtake)
X. ? (alternate take)
2011 Remixes/Instrumentals:
X. ?

DVD:
TV appearances:
1. Killer Queen (TOTP version)
2. Killer Queen (Top Pop version)
3. Now I'm Here (TOTP version) (???)
Studio/Interviews footage:
X. ?
Live footage:
1. Tokyo 01.05.75 footage
X. ?

A NIGHT AT THE OPERA (1975 Deluxe 2CD+1DVD edition)

CD1 (album)
12 tracks

CD2 (studio bonus)
Previously released:
1. I'm In Love With My Car (single version)
2. You're My Best Friend (1991 Remix)
3. I'm In Love With My Car (1991 Remix)
Sessions:
X. ? (outtake)
X. ? (alternate take)
2011 Remixes/Instrumentals:
X. ?

DVD:
Promos:
1. Bohemian Rhapsody
2. You're My Best Friend
3. Bohemian Rhapsody (original 'Flames' version)
Studio/Interviews footage:
1. Japanese visit footage
X. ?
Live footage:
1. Tokyo 01.05.75 footage
X. ?

A DAY AT THE RACES (1976 Deluxe 2CD+1DVD edition)

CD1 (album)
10(11) tracks

CD2 (studio bonus)
Previously released:
1. Somebody To Love (1991 Remix)
2. Tie Your Mother Down (1991 Remix)
3. Teo Torriatte (2005 High Difinition mix)
Sessions:
X. ? (outtake)
X. ? (alternate take)
2011 Remixes/Instrumentals:
X. ?

DVD:
Promos:
1. Somebody To Love
2. Tie Your Mother Down
TV appearances:
1. Good Old-Fashioned Lovr Boy (TOTP version)
Studio/Interviews/Making Of footage:
X. ?
Live footage:
X. ?

NEWS OF THE WORLD (1977 Deluxe 2CD+1DVD edition)

CD1 (album)
11 tracks

CD2 (studio bonus)
Sessions:
X. ? (outtake)
X. ? (alternate take)
2011 Remixes/Instrumentals:
X. ?

DVD:
Promos:
1. We Are The Champions
2. We Will Rock You
3. Spread Your Wings
4. We Are The Champions (BBC version)
Studio/Interviews/Making Of footage:
1. Making Of WATC video
2. Making Of WWRY/SYW video
X. ?
Live footage:
1. Munich 03.05.1978 footage
X. ?

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Posted: 17 Nov 10, 11:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Don't expect too much. Take a look at what has happened in case of the Rolling Stones. 
The regular albums were re-released without any extras and even no new booklets were added. 
And now one by one they come up with few special releases like "Get yer Yayas out" and recently "Exile on Main street". And considering the wealth of existing material they were very reluctant to release too much extras....

In case of Queen Universal will very likely go the way of offering the regular catalog first with little extras. So that they will still have enough material for later releases. 

They - and the same goes for Queen - will always keep something in the back. Imagine Queen had allready given all Outtakes and archive stuff to EMI. They would not have been in the position for a big deal with Universal.

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Posted: 17 Nov 10, 13:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak,

That's as may be but, and this is all kudos to QPL for being aware, they would have been well aware of the state of their existing contract and negotiations for a new contract would have been well advanced some time ago with EMI in order for QPL to then be able to approach other labels to take them on.

Now, either EMI have a good idea about the interest in Queen in the market and decided that Queen weren't worth investing any money in, or, more likely IMO, QPL believed that they were worth *FAR MORE* than EMI were prepared to put on the table given that they have an untapped archive at their disposal and negotiated elsewhere.

Either way, QPL hold the upper hand as they so often do and leave us hanging on their every release for something of interest to suddenly appear - I reckon this is their very last chance.


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Posted: 12 Jan 11, 13:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was just listening to the 180g vinyl release of Queen II and I must say it sounds soooo clear!
Were these new vinyl releases also remastered?
If this was the case, then perhaps they will simply release those remasters.

Although I believe mastering for vinyl is different to CD.


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Posted: 12 Jan 11, 14:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

All I want is a four disc clear vinyl box set per album, where each disc is one-sided, 45RPM, 200gr, remastered ofcourse.
Than that same remastered album on CD.
Plus 2 discs worth of outtakes.
Plus a disc with instrumentals of the album and unreleased stuff.
Plus a disc with 5.1 surround sound mixes.
All in a luxury box, autographed by RT, BM and JD.
Numbered.

Just imagine having 15 of those box sets sitting on your shelf :D

It shouldn't be too difficult for labels to be creative if they bring me on board.


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Posted: 12 Jan 11, 16:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

CMI wrote:

Check out the latest Paul McCartney & Wings' Band On The Run reissue by Universal.

It has 3 options to buy:
1CD (album itself)
2CD+1DVD (album cd+bonus stuff cd and dvd with related video stuff)
3CD+1DVD (same as above + audio documentary CD with hard cover large book)

So the Queen reissues also can be released with 2-3 different options for each album.

Oh fuck NO! - the completists out there (myself included) would feel compelled to buy all the available options.  Not good for the pocket lol

The list you posted originally wouldn't work either, IMHO.  The best thing to do would be to release 2cd sets for each album, one having the remasters and the other having demos.  There would be no need for singles and b-sides as we got this in 4 volumes and  I also agree that any DVD should be separate.  Live stuff should be included in a live boxset. 

But it is all just fantasy.  We are never going to get anything remotely near that.


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Posted: 12 Jan 11, 19:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

RonB wrote: All I want is a four disc clear vinyl box set per album, where each disc is one-sided, 45RPM, 200gr, remastered ofcourse.
Than that same remastered album on CD.
Plus 2 discs worth of outtakes.
Plus a disc with instrumentals of the album and unreleased stuff.
Plus a disc with 5.1 surround sound mixes.
All in a luxury box, autographed by RT, BM and JD.
Numbered.

Just imagine having 15 of those box sets shitting on your shelf :D

It shouldn't be too difficult for labels to be creative if they bring me on board.
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Sounds good to me, but it'll never happen :(

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brians wig wrote: RonB wrote: All I want is a four disc clear vinyl box set per album, where each disc is one-sided, 45RPM, 200gr, remastered ofcourse.
Than that same remastered album on CD.
Plus 2 discs worth of outtakes.
Plus a disc with instrumentals of the album and unreleased stuff.
Plus a disc with 5.1 surround sound mixes.
All in a luxury box, autographed by RT, BM and JD.
Numbered.

Just imagine having 15 of those box sets shitting on your shelf :D

It shouldn't be too difficult for labels to be creative if they bring me on board.
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Sounds good to me, but it'll never happen :(
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Not in the last place because each would have to sell for $100+, which is even assuming that there is material to fill all that.


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