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Posted: 21 Nov 10, 06:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi !

I don't know if that is proper section but I'd like to express my opinion and draw the attention to the product in title but my aim is not to promote the product itself.
In spite of its price, the Singles box set is an exemplification of how to give a proper treatment in the "age of loudness war".
My knowledge on Queen is not so broad as Sir GH's or any Queen's follower from the very beginning of the band.
However I am an audiophile and "recorded music" must meet my requirements. I do not know if the versions in this box-set are just different from the ones on the albums but as I listen to tracks, it seems to me that every one of the sub-tracks as you know, drums , vocal etc. was given some treatment which is really ahead of what we can hear on the original albums.
But I am speaking only of the EMI legacy as we don't know until march what will be done to the sound and Queen I is an album which requires a lot of hard work of the sound engineers if they want to give it hmm, I don't know how to call it, a new fell ? or HD standard ?.

Ok, that was only plain text. Those are examples.
1. A winter's tale - listen to the part from the guitar solo to It's all so beautiful... listen what they did to the drums and all that volume-up during the very part " hope of the, hope of the man" . It is corrected.
2. These are the days of our lives vs the Absolute greatest ver.
It isn't turned up, the sound is not so loud as on the "compil. Absolute..." but it has feel and some parts are clearer - to my mind.
and some other tracks are worth mentioning but I fear that the subject could develop into something like the post "was Queen RM overdubbed" . I do not want war here.

I care about your opinions. Of course if someone has already bought the box-set as the price is controversial...

Cheers and greetings !

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Posted: 21 Nov 10, 07:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wish only they had done something more to Stone Cold Crazy (Live at the Rainbow Theatre) but I don't know if it was way back then recorded on multi-tracks.

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Posted: 21 Nov 10, 10:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I tried to compare the songs and versions you mentioned but with my sh*tty headphone I hear almost no difference...
Perhaps someone else does...


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Posted: 21 Nov 10, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

mondeo112 wrote: I wish only they had done something more to Stone Cold Crazy (Live at the Rainbow Theatre) but I don't know if it was way back then recorded on multi-tracks.
Good point. It sounds very weak. Almost like a bootleg.


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Posted: 22 Nov 10, 01:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Stone Cold Crazy (live at the Rainbow '74) needs proper stereo remixing from multitracks (as the whole concert set).
Version used for The Miracle single taken from mono mix prepared for the 30 minute video in 70's so it's impossible to improve exactly this version to something satisfying.

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Posted: 30 Nov 10, 12:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd like to ask a quick question here. If they would rework (restore, remix or whatever) the drum sound of the Works tour as here they did with the Rock in Rio blues (fantastic!) would you buy the official release of some gig from 84/85 ?

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Posted: 01 Dec 10, 09:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

my two cents in response to the original post:

AG has pretty severe dynamic compression on it overall as part of the remastering.  Yes, it stands up to the music of today sonically - but compared to the gentler remastering done for the Singles Collections (I have all four and have done numerous waveform & aural analyses) that kind of compression effects the feel, presence, and even perceived mix in some cases. 

overall, i think it works both ways - i enjoy the different versions for different listening environments, but i also agree that there were some misses on the SC remastering.  Two of the most glaring to my ears are the previously mentioned flat-sounding "Stone Cold Crazy" from Rainbow 74.  What a smokin' perfomance... shame it wasn't sourced differently and presented with the quality and mix it deserves.  The other that sounds abysmal to me is Hitman... I know there are many mastering and mix problems with Innuendo tracks, but SC's version of Hitman sounds like it was re-recorded playing through earbud headphones... the world's littlest rock song!


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Posted: 01 Dec 10, 09:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I loaded Another One Bites the dust from The Game (the '93 remaster) and the one from the single collection into Nuendo and compared them..

Apart from the sonic differences I noticed something really strange. One of the 2 tracks was slightly faster than the other (I think the more recent one was the one running fast) This does not seem to be a Tape to Digital problem, as the track has the same pitch, and isn't higher, as you might expect from speeding up a tape.

How is this possible? Is it something that really exists or is it an anomaly that occurs when ripping music from cd?


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Posted: 10 Dec 10, 13:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken wrote: I loaded Another One Bites the dust from The Game (the '93 remaster) and the one from the single collection into Nuendo and compared them..

Apart from the sonic differences I noticed something really strange. One of the 2 tracks was slightly faster than the other (I think the more recent one was the one running fast) This does not seem to be a Tape to Digital problem, as the track has the same pitch, and isn't higher, as you might expect from speeding up a tape.

How is this possible? Is it something that really exists or is it an anomaly that occurs when ripping music from cd?

I don't have noticed this thing, anyway in the Greatest Hits Off The Record songbook there's written that the recording of AOBTD sounds one semitone higher, maybe in the SC have restored the original sound recording without this effect!

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