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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 14:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Does Freddie hit the C5 in this version of Champions? I have a LONG argument between 4 different people on this video! The quality sucks, so I can't even tell if he's hitting it!


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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 18:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No.. it's the crowd hitting the note, not him


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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 18:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How can you even tell? I mean you must either have golden ears, or the best headphones in history, cause all I hear is a CHORUS of C5s (I can't even tell what note Freddie sings under them)!


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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 18:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He hits it, he would have sang another note instead, but i can just hear the c5, so unless he didn't sing, he hit that note.

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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 18:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I mean, that's the problem: I always thought he did hit the C5, but then I have some people saying he's hitting A4/G4 during that part. It also doesn't help that the quality is rough! Hey, whoever has the dang alternative source (that's A- quality), does Freddie hit the C5? LOL

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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 18:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think it's possible, he hit it in Live Aid and i think in other concerts, and he sounds in pretty good shape in this recording.

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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 18:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, he did hit the C5 at Live Aid, and he was able to hit B4s and C5s throughout the early Magic Tour, so I know he could've hit that C5 on Brussels. The question is: Did he?


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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 18:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He hits it. I could hear him brake on it too like he did at live aid.


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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 18:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jamster1111 wrote: He hits it. I could hear him brake on it too like he did at live aid.
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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 19:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I will say this again, Fred does not hit the C5. After the "C5", you can clearly hear Freddie on a G4, which means that he only hit an A4 since the correct phrasing is to hit the C5, then the A4, which the audience member did. He pulled a similar stunt on 5/9/1985 where the phrasing was a bit more choppy, but it's the same premise.

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Posted: 09 Jan 11, 20:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Do you have Sony MDR V6s? :D


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Posted: 10 Jan 11, 03:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If you mean at around 0:49, then no.  That's the crowd.  It's not a matter of hearing the note that is there (clearly a C) but rather paying attention to the sound that isn't there; which would be Freddie in this case.  You can hear him doing that, whatcha call it ...  when he sings the word 'fighting' with the notes A-G stretched out over the word.  He does that on numerous shows so there's a precedent for that.

He's not hitting a C here.  The C you're hearing is very 'crowd' sounding.  Doesn't sound remotely like it's coming out of the PA at all.  Different kind of quality to it.  Forgive me for not being able to throw technical terms at it.


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Posted: 10 Jan 11, 03:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zebonka12 wrote: If you mean at around 0:49, then no.  That's the crowd.  It's not a matter of hearing the note that is there (clearly a C) but rather paying attention to the sound that isn't there; which would be Freddie in this case.  You can hear him doing that, whatcha call it ...  when he sings the word 'fighting' with the notes A-G stretched out over the word.  He does that on numerous shows so there's a precedent for that.

He's not hitting a C here.  The C you're hearing is very 'crowd' sounding.  Doesn't sound remotely like it's coming out of the PA at all.  Different kind of quality to it.  Forgive me for not being able to throw technical terms at it.
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The explanation makes enough sense: Freddie's vocals have a more "distant" sound, and the crowd is more "up front." The C5s are "up front" (the crowd), and the "distant" note (Freddie) is the A4/G4 phrase.

It's the same exact thing that's on Glasgow 1979 (the Bohemian Rhapsody C5).


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Posted: 10 Jan 11, 09:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I do hear the G, thats fairly obvious...

However I still don't think you could rule it out him getting that High C JUST because he goes down to G4...who's to say the guy didn't simply miss the A4 and hit a slightly lower note.

Here are the facts as I see them at the moment:

1: The A4-G4 progression was common in this era, therefore probably more likely in theory
2: HOWEVER he HAD hit the C5 just a few shows before, plus there is the fact he was more then able to hit it in this era and does so on quite a few occassions on previous shows.
3: The quality is NOT good enough to HEAR the C5/A4...I don't care what people say that note is just too hidden by the crowd.
4: He does clearly go down to G4 which makes point 1 more likely, but its far from being a deal clincher IMO.
5: Whilst not really that relevant, Freddie was confident, he'd just nailed WWRY in a way he hadn't in many years and I'm strong believer Freddie would be more willing to go for high notes if he was confident.

IMO having heard this concert millions of times it seems now, the C5 sounds like Freddie's tone but the crowd sound far stronger, but its no where strong enough for me to have any confidence. Zebonka made a good and interesting point which relates to this, people hear the note they want to hear. I can imagine the C5 being hit on the Brussels version, but the progression would make more sense for a A4...yet I actually think I HEAR the C5 from Freddie...but as I said really the quality is probably not good enough to go anything past a hunch.

So with all these ramblings, my conclusion is, I've not a clue!

I think until we hear a better version, there can be NO definitive answer either way, because we are simply working on too many assumptions and guesses based on what is somewhat loose evidence of the A4-G4 progression.

ps, The Japan 85 was no debate by the way...I've always believed that was A4-G4, IMO that one was quite obvious.


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Posted: 10 Jan 11, 16:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, he doesn't.  It's the audience
Mystery solved i guess!
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Posted: 10 Jan 11, 16:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg, I am in no way trying to be a dick here, but why do these things matter?  Seriously, I'm not trying to be funny, I would just like to know why people get so passionate about analysing how a song was sung.  I don't have a clue about musical notes, phrasing etc, I just know when I like a song, or the vocals behind a song, but I don't care about one live version being different from another, unless it was intentional and is a variant.  As these kinds of topics are becoming more and more frequent here on QZ  (and I feel like a dumbass who can't make a contribution) it would be great if someone could please clear this one up for me - what is the fascination of analysing each and every note from each and every show?  Cheers!


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Posted: 10 Jan 11, 17:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Because it's fun! lol


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Posted: 10 Jan 11, 17:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gregsynth wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Greg, I am in no way trying to be a dick here, but why do these things matter?  Seriously, I'm not trying to be funny, I would just like to know why people get so passionate about analysing how a song was sung.  I don't have a clue about musical notes, phrasing etc, I just know when I like a song, or the vocals behind a song, but I don't care about one live version being different from another, unless it was intentional and is a variant.  As these kinds of topics are becoming more and more frequent here on QZ  (and I feel like a dumbass who can't make a contribution) it would be great if someone could please clear this one up for me - what is the fascination of analysing each and every note from each and every show?  Cheers!

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The reason for this topic, was because on the Youtube comments, there is a HUGE debate on if Freddie went for the C5 in the first chorus or not. Some people said he did, others didn't. I wasn't sure, so I posted it here (for possible answers)!

There ya go!


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Posted: 10 Jan 11, 18:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I know the reason for the post lol, I'm just confused about the analysis of it all, I just don't get the obsession.  I guess I just like to accept it as it was haha!


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Posted: 11 Jan 11, 02:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@greg

At the start of In the lap of the gods at wembley what note(s) does he get?