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Posted: 14 Jan 11, 11:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://interactive.nfb.ca/#/testtube

Or go to http://www.nfb.ca/interactive and click on "the test tube" ..

The test is simple.  If you understand the strong implications here, you are intelligent.

If you think he is wrong in any way, well.. no need to elaborate :-)

Enjoy!


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Posted: 14 Jan 11, 12:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

was indeed very interesting..


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Posted: 14 Jan 11, 13:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hmm, cool :D  and interesting :D

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Posted: 14 Jan 11, 15:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Very interesting and also very, very scary. We are already beyond the 59th minute...it's freaking me out, man.  But any number of interpretations can be taken from this!  Media - especially the internet - is a platform for strong ideas to be put forward.  But put in the wrong hands (considering many have internet access) these ideas can be very, very dangerous indeed.  I hope no-one takes the "wrong" interpretation of this.....


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Posted: 14 Jan 11, 17:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Really makes you think, doesn't it? Very interesting and quite frightening. But what frightens me the most are my own thoughts here: what am l going to do next; Talking about it on queenzone? We're all hypocrites. Or at least I am.

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Posted: 14 Jan 11, 17:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yep, we all are guilty.

But creating awareness is a very good first step.  Send this video around to your friends and there's your good deed for the day.

David Suzuki is regularly slammed by ignorant people, but he is one of the most important minds ever to walk this earth.  Anything he has said in the last 30 years can be taken as gospel.  The man knows what he's talking about, and I'm proud he's a fellow Canadian.


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Posted: 14 Jan 11, 23:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I submitted the most common reply - am I intelligient ?  :-)

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Posted: 15 Jan 11, 03:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I really do not understand why growth is still regarded as a value in itself. We all should have realised by now that economic growth does not give us higher income, better health care or more soclal security - it only brings higher profits for the big companies and the banks and worse environmental damage. Shame on the scientists who take the money from the petroleum industry and deny the severe consequences of the industrial growth for the environment.

But there is no scientific proof that we even need the planet, is there?

http://www.desmogblog.com/denying-climate-change-urging-inaction

and the result

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvTYslhCfN8

It's really good to see some scientific argument in favour of environmental responsibility.


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Posted: 15 Jan 11, 04:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My fear is that some people will think that this is getting more at population growth and go on the rampage....


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Posted: 17 Jan 11, 09:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like David Suzuki, however to presume that those who criticise him (he's not perfect) or disagree with him relating to growth must be ignorant is absurd, not to mention that the premise of this thread is incredibly arrogant.

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Posted: 17 Jan 11, 09:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Right, because being tolerant of ignorance is what's going to solve problems like this...


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Posted: 17 Jan 11, 10:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the problem here is that most aren't "ignorant" to the situation, they just don't care.  It's easy to educate people, it's not easy to change attitudes.


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Posted: 17 Jan 11, 11:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote: "Right, because being tolerant of ignorance is what's going to solve problems like this..."


No the problem is that you think you have the right to judge other people's intelligence, thereby starting a thread based on the premise that if people don't agree with you they must be ignorant (and if one doesn't take everything Suzuki has said as gospel one must be ignorant), just as you think you have the right to judge their morality.

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Posted: 17 Jan 11, 11:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Oh god, not this again.

If someone cannot grasp the concept of exponential growth (grade 8 math), then yes, they are not intelligent.  Those who do not have a grade 8 education probably aren't going to be our leaders who show us the paths to environmental sustainability.

If you agree with Suzuki, then great, we're on the same page.  But if fools are going to disagree with him on this, then they're welcome to show why exponential growth isn't real and explain what their alternative reality is.

Good point, Thistleboy.  Very good point.


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Posted: 17 Jan 11, 11:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote: "Oh god, not this again.


If someone cannot grasp the concept of exponential growth (grade 8 math), then yes, they are not intelligent. Those who do not have a grade 8 education probably aren't going to be our leaders who show us the paths to environmental sustainability.

If you agree with Suzuki, then great, we're on the same page. But if fools are going to disagree with him on this, then they're welcome to show why exponential growth isn't real and explain what their alternative reality is."

I couldn't have said it better myself 'Oh god, not this again.' It's a waste of time talking to you. Whether it be about musical expertise, vegetarianism, religion, the hijab, or this; you never change.

The fact BTW that you would write 'Oh god, not this again' proves yet again that you aren't interested in a discussion, as discussion would involve alternative views!

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Posted: 17 Jan 11, 12:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

OK, I'll be more open-minded.  Please tell me how anyone can rationalize exponential growth to be wrong, and explain how those who do not understand said concept can still be intelligent.  I'm all ears, as this alternative view is not only interesting to me, but it is an equally viable path to achieving environmental sustainability..


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Posted: 17 Jan 11, 18:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I just had the most amazing sandwich.  Sliced beef and mayonnaise.  It really hit the spot.  I only finished eating it about 30 seconds ago but I'm still awestruck by just how well this sandwich turned out.  The bread isn't even a particularly good brand.  What an incredible fucking meal.


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Posted: 18 Jan 11, 05:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The big questions are, how big is the test tube and how long is a minute in real time?

Both subjective, maybe, but we're hurtling towards 1hr nonetheless.  What happens then?


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Posted: 18 Jan 11, 09:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You probably know the cynical saying that if your camp is attacked by a lion you do not need to outrun the lion, you only need to run faster than the slowest of the other people. Apparently, the world population seems to think exactly like this: as long as there is oil, water and air to breathe for me I am not worried about the people who come after me. Let them worry about the environmental desaster. However, it could happen that wars will be fought over fresh water during our lifetime.


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Posted: 18 Jan 11, 11:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I started to get interested in David Suzuki's works and TV show quite early in my life, when I was still a kid. Not that long ago I embarked on a search for episodes of "The Nature of Things". I really enjoyed the series. As far as the current available evidence goes, he seems to be right about climate change and other environmental issues. 

I don't like his attitude that much, especially as of late. I think it's counterproductive. But I think his science is, for the most part, sound and correct. Questions of style apart, he's been for a long time playing a very important role in making scientific issues more accessible and filling the gaps in people's science education.   

Now, as another user pointed out, educating people is a far cry from getting them to act on what they already believe in. That demands organization, coordination and even financial stimuli - it's not cheap to live a healthy and environment-friendly life.


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