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Posted: 29 Jan 11, 04:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So far the strategy seemed to be adding some rare but to collectors already known tracks to the new album re-releases while keeping the real goodies for a box set.
The additions for the albums 2 to ADATR look exactly like following this pattern.

But what is strange is the choice of the DeLane Lea recordings for the first album. As those would have been the perfect openers for a box set. 
Besides those the archive cannot have too many other finished recordings. Also according to Roger Taylor they rarely did demos at all. And the few worthy outtakes were already used for "Made in Heaven".  

So the question comes up - is the box set dead? Is there anything left apart from some alternate mixes and unfinished studio sessions ?

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Posted: 29 Jan 11, 04:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It was dead ten years ago, as soon as they mentioned it.


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Posted: 29 Jan 11, 07:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How can you say that the "few worthy outtakes were used for MIH"?
They didn't have a clue what they had back then, which is why GB was later hired to trawl through the archives.
Christ, at the Princes Trust Concert this year, Brian couldn't even remember playing "Seven Seas Of Rhye" on and off for Queen's entire touring career, never mind forgetting he played "It's A Hard Life" for a full tour in 1984 & 1985.
What chance do you think they had of knowing what was in their archives?

It's about time people let go of this fantasy that Queen have nothing of worth in their archives because there was sparse new songs on an album that was worked on 16 years ago!

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Posted: 29 Jan 11, 09:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's about time people let go of this fantasy that Queen have nothing of worth in their archives because there was sparse new songs on an album that was worked on 16 years ago!
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This is not a fantasy - the fantasy is that there is an archive full of worthy recordings....

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Posted: 29 Jan 11, 11:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak wrote: It's about time people let go of this fantasy that Queen have nothing of worth in their archives because there was sparse new songs on an album that was worked on 16 years ago!
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This is not a fantasy - the fantasy is that there is an archive full of worthy recordings....

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No, that is not fantasy - the fantasy is that some fans live in the fantasy of making believe the fans believing there are worthy recordings in the archive that the world ended after MIH because "everything had to be there". THAT is real fantasy !

Mmm.. did I mention the word "FANTASY" anywhere? ;)


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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 04:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roger Taylor on german radio on monday denying the question if the bonus tracks are just an appetizer for a box set and if there is still some stuff left in the archive.  

"I didn’t think there was much more stuff … as far as I’m aware there’s really not much that I am, that I’m not aware of, you know."

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 05:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak wrote:

Roger Taylor on german radio on monday denying the question if the bonus tracks are just an appetizer for a box set and if there is still some stuff left in the archive.  

"I didn’t think there was much more stuff … as far as I’m aware there’s really not much that I am, that I’m not aware of, you know."


Well f*** them :-(  Why exactly did they hire an archivist if they don't know after so many years what do they have in their archives ?

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 06:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If they haven't got nothing more in archives, what was presented on conventions?

All known demo stuff runs longer than 5 hours. Add BBC sessions, some pre-Queen stuff and acapellas/instrumantals/multitrack downmixes. I think it's enough for the box set.


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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 06:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What's it going to take to get some good product released?  I want GVH3 already - what do I have to do?  Kill one badger every day until there's an announcement?


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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 07:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak wrote: So far the strategy seemed to be adding some rare but to collectors already known tracks to the new album re-releases while keeping the real goodies for a box set.
The additions for the albums 2 to ADATR look exactly like following this pattern.

But what is strange is the choice of the DeLane Lea recordings for the first album. As those would have been the perfect openers for a box set. 
Besides those the archive cannot have too many other finished recordings. Also according to Roger Taylor they rarely did demos at all. And the few worthy outtakes were already used for "Made in Heaven".  

So the question comes up - is the box set dead? Is there anything left apart from some alternate mixes and unfinished studio sessions ?
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Let's make a difference between demo's and unfinished songs.  According to the interview with Queen in 'Queen for an Hour BBC'  Freddie said the pre-recordings, demo's and or songs for the Miracle album had been a succesfull period. They had about thirty or forty songs. So this means there must be lot of unfinished songs lying around with just a guitar part or a few vocal parts. But.....David Richards also told that Freddie, except for the MIH album,  almost waited till a song was finished instrumentally before he put his vocals on the tape.


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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 07:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A couple of notes... Brian May has gone on record saying that "Let Me Out" is an old song, which probably means that it was demoed to some extent by Queen. Also, on the Soapbox he mentioned a song called "The Green Parade"... My point is that there must be a lot in the archives that we have no way of knowing about. I'm guessing that the demos that have surfaced on the Internet over the years are less than one-third of all that's in the archives, maybe even less than that. 

Don't go comparing the Freddie collection to the future Queen box set - Freddie was notoriously sloppy with his recordings and threw a lot of stuff away, but still there was enough to make a 10 disc collection (and still about two dozen tracks were left out). Brian and John (and Roger to a lesser degree) are much more anal (for want of a better word) about their archives. Believe me when I tell you that there will be more than enough for a box set, but only if they are smart enough to do it right.

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 08:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Quote Big V: Believe me when I tell you that there will be more than enough for a box set, but only if they are smart enough to do it right.

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It's quite funny when people on the outside pretend to know more than the people on the inside.

When Roger Taylor definitely says, that there is nothing left (apart from maybe some unfinished sessions or alternate mixes of well known tracks)  who are you to say "Believe me when I tell you there will be more than enough for a box set...." ???

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Soundfreak wrote: Quote Big V: Believe me when I tell you that there will be more than enough for a box set, but only if they are smart enough to do it right.

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It's quite funny when people on the outside pretend to know more than the people on the inside.

When Roger Taylor definitely says, that there is nothing left (apart from maybe some unfinished sessions or alternate mixes of well known tracks)  who are you to say "Believe me when I tell you there will be more than enough for a box set...." ???

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Okay, I am outside and I know what could be released on deluxe editions:

Great King Rat (Take 1)
Great King Rat (Take 4)
Polar Bear
Keep Yourself Alive (BBC Session 2)
Liar (BBC Session 2)
Son and Daughter (BBC Session 2)
Modern Times Rock'n'Roll (BBC Session 4)

Nevermore (Instrumental Demo)
The March of the Black Queen (Takes 3 — 5)
Funny How Love Is (Takes 3 — 5)
White Queen (BBC Session 4)
See What a Fool I've Been (BBC Session 2 Original Mix)

Brighton Rock (Early Demo)
Tenement Funster (Instrumental Demo)
Flick of the Wrist (Intro Demo)
Flick of the Wrist (Instrumental Demo)
In the Lap of the Gods... Revisited (Early Take)
Now I'm Here (BBC Session 5)
Stone Cold Crazy (BBC Session 5)

Tie Your Mother Down (Demo)
You Take My Breath Away (Intro Demo)
Long Away (Instrumental Demo)
Somebody to Love (Vocal Outtakes)
Somebody to Love (Instrumental Outtakes)

Am I wrong?


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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 10:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can't believe that some people actually believe that there is almost nothing in the archives. If there's a fucking tape of Freddie with the Hectics from the late 50's or early 60's and there are recordings of pretty much every pre-Queen band - do you really think there is nothing more left from (e.g.) A Night At The Opera than an instrumental remix of YMBF and a new remix of IILWMC?

There are tons of recordings out there. If it will ever get released is of course a totally different point.

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 14:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak wrote: Quote Big V: Believe me when I tell you that there will be more than enough for a box set, but only if they are smart enough to do it right.

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It's quite funny when people on the outside pretend to know more than the people on the inside.

When Roger Taylor definitely says, that there is nothing left (apart from maybe some unfinished sessions or alternate mixes of well known tracks)  who are you to say "Believe me when I tell you there will be more than enough for a box set...." ???

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He's the guy who knows what stuff is out there, just as you and I do - so if you add that to stuff we DONT know about, then you have a boxset.  Just to let you understand, I made my OWN set just the other night - it made 10 discs easily, and I don't even have some of the stuff that other collectors have.  As an illustration, my set was like this:

Discs 1-2: Pre Queen (Reaction/ Left Handed Marriage/ Ibex/ Wreckage/ 1984/ Smile)
Disc 3: 70s Demos (From what I know of, I.e Polar Bear/ Silver Salmon/ MOTBQ/ FHLI/ Killer Queen/ umpteen snippets from Bo Rhap.....)
Disc 4-5: BBC Sessions
Disc 6: 80s Demos
Disc 7: 90s Demos onwards
Disc 8: Remixes
Disc 9: Rare Solo
Disc 10: Rare Live

Granted, some of this is filler, like the live stuff - but if I had even half the stuff I know is there demo-wise, it would easily replace those (I didn't put the convention recordings in, but would have if they were better in quality).  This makes around 11 hours of listening.


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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 14:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Let Me Out"? Wasn't that from Star Fleet? Hence early 80s.

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 15:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@Martin Packer 
Yes, it's from Starfleet. But Brian May mentioned (in the Stafleet sleeve notes if I'm not mistaken) that the song pre-dates the Starfleet sessions. My best guess is that it's from NOTW era.

@Soundfreak
It's called "an educated guess". And Roger Taylor is not the most reliable source of information. "Rolling sets" anyone?

@Pim Derks ; @ole-the-first ; @Thistleboy 1980 
All very good points, thank you!

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 16:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak wrote: Quote Big V: Believe me when I tell you that there will be more than enough for a box set, but only if they are smart enough to do it right.

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It's quite funny when people on the outside pretend to know more than the people on the inside.

When Roger Taylor definitely says, that there is nothing left (apart from maybe some unfinished sessions or alternate mixes of well known tracks)  who are you to say "Believe me when I tell you there will be more than enough for a box set...." ???
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Sadly, I think a lot of fans DO know more than the main protagonists!  Simply take Brian saying that they'd never performed It's A Hard Life live until the Prince's trust concert, or that they hadn't played Seven Seas of Rhye for about 30 years!

Let's be honest, if Greg has taken the best part of 15 years to catalogue everything there's gotta be a fair amount of unreleased stuff, whether it be audio, video, works in progress, demos etc..etc...

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I still remember reading a Q&A Greg Brooks did several years back that was posted here... and how moved he was listening back to Freddie and others in-studio chatter between takes - young, hungry artists full of life, having no idea what an amazing career lay ahead of them.

and then i look over the astoundingly deep Blu-ray archive set that Neil Young put out for his fans, and just DREAM that something in that realm might come out some day from Queen. 

Seriously, do any of you believe they'd release a stand-alone dvd of Earls Court, Kampuchea?  We MIGHT get Hammersmith 75, and Rainbow 74 would be a stretch.  All those concerts could be put together in an amazing Blu-ray series (like Kissology) - along with rare audio bits, 12" mixes, etc.  ALL the stuff that they're afraid won't sell to the general public as individual pieces... COLLECT THEM... give us a great box set - a Blu-ray disc holds tons of audio/video - with all the stuff we want and all the amazing stuff QPL knows we'd love if we ever heard, and we'll pay a high-end price.  You don't have to sell a million of them.  If you do it right, the hardcare fans will pay more and everyone's happy.

I know it's ultimately up to Brian and Roger, but man... if they waste their 40TH anniversary year opportunity, i will begin to lose hope.


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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 22:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian and Roger want to make money, period.  They don't care about their legacy, where Neil Young would like to make money, but his reputation as an artist is more important.  So Queen will move product, Neil Young will do well and get respect that will elude Queen.  Seems fair.