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Posted: 28 Feb 11, 05:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have managed to confuse myself, and possibly some of you, and now Gary Taylor too, AND Jim Jenkins, with this Now I'm Here - Top Of The Pops or '45 issue, and that's not easy to do.

The three of us agreed that the footage you see at the SiS exhibition is from '45 and not TOTP as first thought, and not a mixture of both, but then, on my other current thread here, somebody produced evidence that seems compelling; of Steve Harley on TOTP, introduced by Dave Lee Travis, the same program that Queen were on, and with the scenery/backdrop appearing to be exactly the same. This seems to prove it's TOTP.

GT has seen a photograph in the past, which he believed to be BBC, but the band are dressed differently to that of the SiS version, thus we concluded it must be '45.  And then there is a chap in the audience wearing a Christmas hat, and so we thought it to be the 45 program (broadcast on Xmas day), and not the TOTP (broadcast in January).  Jim's comment was, "Why would someone be wearing such a hat in January?"  This is a good point, BUT, there is always a joker in the pack who has his Xmas hat in his pocket (perhaps from a party 3 weeks earlier) who thinks it funny to put it on long after xmas.  So, none of this is conclusive!!

We are looking into this today. It surely cannot be that difficult to resolve this for certain once and for all. 

This has become a genuine conundrum now, but we are trying to get to the bottom of it.

As I say, watch this space!!!


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Posted: 28 Feb 11, 05:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen Archivist wrote: I have managed to confuse myself, and possibly some of you, and now Gary Taylor too, AND Jim Jenkins, with this Now I'm Here - Top Of The Pops or '45 issue, and that's not easy to do.

The three of us agreed that the footage you see at the SiS exhibition is from '45 and not TOTP as first thought, and not a mixture of both, but then, on my other current thread here, somebody produced evidence that seems compelling; of Steve Harley on TOTP, introduced by Dave Lee Travis, the same program that Queen were on, and with the scenery/backdrop appearing to be exactly the same. This seems to prove it's TOTP.

GT has seen a photograph in the past, which he believed to be BBC, but the band are dressed differently to that of the SiS version, thus we concluded it must be '45.  And then there is a chap in the audience wearing a Christmas hat, and so we thought it to be the 45 program (broadcast on Xmas day), and not the TOTP (broadcast in January).  Jim's comment was, "Why would someone be wearing such a hat in January?"  This is a good point, BUT, there is always a joker in the pack who has his Xmas hat in his pocket (perhaps from a party 3 weeks earlier) who thinks it funny to put it on long after xmas.  So, none of this is conclusive!!

We are looking into this today. It surely cannot be that difficult to resolve this for certain once and for all. 

This has become a genuine conundrum now, but we are trying to get to the bottom of it.

As I say, watch this space!!!
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GT has seen a photograph in the past, which he believed to be BBC, but the band are dressed differently to that of the SiS version, thus we concluded it must be '45.  And then there is a chap in the audience wearing a Christmas hat, and so we thought it to be the 45 program (broadcast on Xmas day), and not the TOTP (broadcast in January).  Jim's comment was, "Why would someone be wearing such a hat in January?"  This is a good point, BUT, there is always a joker in the pack who has his Xmas hat in his pocket (perhaps from a party 3 weeks earlier) who thinks it funny to put it on long after xmas.  So, none of this is conclusive!!

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Perhaps the show is taped in December and broadcast in January. Sounds too easy right? Publishers are most of the time working with the broadcast date and not with the original tape date. So that may have caused the confusion


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Posted: 28 Feb 11, 06:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The NIH footage in the exhibition does look like TOTP, set wise...

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Posted: 28 Feb 11, 07:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://missingepisodes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=totp&action=display&thread=5911

This 'Now I'm Here' clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPtwJkEC8ak) comes from TOTP, 100 per cent!!!

It is NOT from the Granada programme, 45. It was found by Keith Badman and it was he who supplied it to Queen Productions Ltd.

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Posted: 28 Feb 11, 07:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Saintray, nice to see you here :-)

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pittrek wrote: Hi Saintray, nice to see you here :-)
I am not Saintray(if that was for me)

Does "Queen Archivist" work for Queen Productions LTD, in the archive?

I always thought Queen performed Killer Queen on '45.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/e.watkins/musictv/45.htm

45 (EPISODE 26) MISSING
25th December 1974
Introduced by Kid Jensen & Emperor Rosko
Mud - Lonely this Christmas
Bay City Rollers
Colin Blunstone
Ken Boothe
Dave Cousins
Rick Wakeman
Queen - Killer Queen

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Posted: 28 Feb 11, 12:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

J.C wrote: http://missingepisodes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=totp&action=display&thread=5911

This 'Now I'm Here' clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPtwJkEC8ak) comes from TOTP, 100 per cent!!!

It is NOT from the Granada programme, 45. It was found by Keith Badman and it was he who supplied it to Queen Productions Ltd.

Greg, this is the site I was telling Gary about - he asked for the link to it

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 01:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

We do indeed seem to have confused issues here over the footage to 'Now I'm Here'.

Although the footage is labelled as from TOTP at the exhibition - which was put together in time for the exhibition and was beyond our control - it could very well be from '45' too.

At the moment both sides of the argument are throwing up clues to where this footage originates, but still nothing substantial.

Looking at Kurgans photos, I personally have always thought that the first pic is from 'Now I'm Here' on TOTP and that the second, with Freddie in the red jacket, is from the original and first performance of 'Killer Queen' on TOTP - which we still don't seem to have in the archive.

By the way THERE IS A FULL VERSION OF THE 'NIH' FOOTAGE AT THE EXHIBITION - YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT!

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 01:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I always thought Queen performed Killer Queen on '45.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/e.watkins/musictv/45.htm
45 (EPISODE 26) MISSING
25th December 1974
Introduced by Kid Jensen & Emperor Rosko
Mud - Lonely this Christmas
Bay City Rollers
Colin Blunstone
Ken Boothe
Dave Cousins
Rick Wakeman
Queen - Killer Queen

So this confuses matters again, as this could be a new appearance on '45' of 'KQ' or maybe a mislabelling from the show, and it should of been 'NIH'?

DID ANYBODY HERE ATTEND THESE FILMINGS - EITHER THE 'TOTP' OR '45' PERFORMANCES?

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 04:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

GT wrote: I always thought Queen performed Killer Queen on '45.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/e.watkins/musictv/45.htm
45 (EPISODE 26) MISSING
25th December 1974
Introduced by Kid Jensen & Emperor Rosko
Mud - Lonely this Christmas
Bay City Rollers
Colin Blunstone
Ken Boothe
Dave Cousins
Rick Wakeman
Queen - Killer Queen

So this confuses matters again, as this could be a new appearance on '45' of 'KQ' or maybe a mislabelling from the show, and it should of been 'NIH'?

DID ANYBODY HERE ATTEND THESE FILMINGS - EITHER THE 'TOTP' OR '45' PERFORMANCES?
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I think there is a small chance anybody here had attend one of these shows. Why? Most of the audiences of these kind of shows were not (Queen)fans of a certain band but just ordinary people to fill up a show as they shoot several shows a day with the same public again and again.

Also... like Brian or Roger said earlier in a interview; they often took camera shots from about ten or twenty people lined up or standing in a circle to hide the fact that there weren't as much in the audience as looked like on TV


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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 07:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am Saintsray - I post on the Missing episodes Forum, and having been alerted to the fact someone thought someone else was me, I thought I'd join the Forum!

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 11:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

kurgan100 wrote: Questions:

Who labelled it TOTP January 1975?

Why not upload the WHOLE video so we can all analyze it? LOL!

Other ref pics of possible NIH TOTP appearances:

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3605/bbcunknown.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4865/bbcunknown2.jpg

 In an earlier topic we have already agreed that the red jacket is the Killer Queen TOTP (Nov 21) one !!! I did cross - check with Hello's appearance and everything fit, so we are starting a debate again about something that has been solved. Also I posted a link for the stage setup of the XMAS '45' show with Killer Queen. As someone already posted, the stage setup of this new TOTP NIH matches the TOTP shows from the era (see Steve Harley and other appearances!!) .

Hello had only one hit in 1974 "tell him" , with an early November release it fits perfectl with the Nov 21 date .  As said before, when the BBC TOTP database was searchable (no longer sadly) ,  i cross searched and Hello and Queen were only on one show together. 

http://www.chartstats.com/songinfo.php?id=6524

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 11:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Do you have a photo or screenshot of what everything looked like (stage/clothes) on this supposed performance of 'Killer Queen' on '45'?

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 11:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.abbaontv.com/1974/Pictures/jensen2.jpg

thats all i know of , the stage setup with Abba. A wall of 9 AC30s, a strange V shaped above head rig and Rogers drums.

www.abbaontv.com/1974/Pictures/jensen1.jpg 

maybe this second picture shows more from the stage design, looks like a huge face of somebody singing is painted on the wall as a background

copy paste the links pls

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 12:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Okay we have just had confirmation from Simon Lupton that the NIH footage at the exhibition is TOTP from the January 30, 1975 edition. 

And to confirm what was also said above: Keith uncovered it when talking to a former BBC Engineer who had taped 
numerous episodes of TOTP and it was he who also supplied us with the three performances of Seven Seas of Rhye we have. 

So that is now clear.

What about the other photo with FM all in white?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO0aURDiuPo

strangely the Wings performance survived from the same show, (21 Nov) in top quality, sometimes in the background you can see the stage design elements from the red jacket picture. Wiped from the BBC archives, but still if it's McCartney, someone was able to come up with a near perfect copy.

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 12:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

GT wrote: Okay we have just had confirmation from Simon Lupton that the NIH footage at the exhibition is TOTP from the January 30, 1975 edition. 

And to confirm what was also said above: Keith uncovered it when talking to a former BBC Engineer who had taped 
numerous episodes of TOTP and it was he who also supplied us with the three performances of Seven Seas of Rhye we have. 

So that is now clear.

What about the other photo with FM all in white?

   The photo with Freddie in white is probably from NIH TOTP 16/01/75

TOP OF THE POPS 16/01/75 ®
Introduced by Noel Edmonds
George McCrae - You can have it all (Studio)Rpt
Glitter Band - Goodbye my love (Studio)
John Holt - Help me make it through the night (Studio/Pans People)
Mac & Katie Kissoon - Sugar candy kisses (Studio)
Pilot - January (Studio)
Queen - Now I’m here (VT insert)
Ralph McTell - Streets of London (Studio)
Ringo Starr - Only you (Promo)
Stevie Wonder - Boogie on reggae woman (Disc)
Wizzard - Are you ready to rock (Studio) Rpt
Status Quo - Down down (Disc)

 and the second (like Miklos said) from Killer Queen 21/11/74

TOP OF THE POPS 21/11/74 (wiped) ® (PVL)
Introduced by Noel Edmonds
Bachman-Turner Overdrive - You ain’t seen nothin’ yet (Disc)
Peppers - Pepper box (Studio) Rpt
Paul McCartney & Wings - Junior’s Farm (Studio)
Rubettes - Juke box jive (Studio)
Queen - Killer Queen (Studio)
Alvin Stardust - Tell me why (Studio)
Hot Chocolate - Cheri Babe (Studio)
Hello - Tell him (Studio)
Lulu - The man with the golden gun (Studio)
Carl Douglas - Dance the king fu (Studio)
Elvis Presley - My boy (Caravel Film)
David Essex - Gonna make you a star (Studio) (Joined with Wings)
Javells - Goodbye nothing to say (Disc)
(Credits) >> Musical Director - Johnny Pearson, Choreographer - Flick Colby, Sound -
Richard Chamberlain, Director - Bruce Milliard, Produced by Robin Nash

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GT wrote: What about the other photo with FM all in white?

Must be the first TOTP NIH performance, or the third unknown TOTP Killer Queen .

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 13:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is this the 45-version of Now I'm Here, or is it just mislabeled?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE_33ZIC974&NR=1

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Posted: 01 Mar 11, 13:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No. This is TV report from New York 02-05-76