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Posted: 06 Mar 11, 20:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi
My UK MIH cream vinyl sounds fuzzy like a shit :(
bought it as new in '95 and listened a cuople of time.
My other vinyls sounds ok even I don't have any special gear.
It's a known quality issue?
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Posted: 07 Mar 11, 07:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't know about anyone else, but I've never had top of the range equipment and my MIH cream vinyl sounds great.  In fact, I don't think I've ever had a sound problem with any of my Queen vinyl, whether brand new from release or secondhand in collector's stores.


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Posted: 09 Mar 11, 14:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

coloured vinyl has always been of a lesser quality than regular vinyl.


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Posted: 11 Mar 11, 06:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's something new for me. Why should it be?

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Posted: 13 Mar 11, 08:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

from what I've heard it has something to do with the colour agent in the black vinyl records, I think it might be called carbon black, it's supposed to strenghten the vinyl.  Also coloured records are sometimes made on lighter/thiner material. Personally I have always found that coloured vinyl records have had more hiss/pops/crackle than regular vinyl.  just type Coloured Vinyl Sound Quality into google and you'll find a lot of discussion on the subject.


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Posted: 15 Mar 11, 07:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ah! Okay! Thank you very much!

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Posted: 15 Mar 11, 09:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

paulsmith2001 wrote: from what I've heard it has something to do with the colour agent in the black vinyl records, I think it might be called carbon black, it's supposed to strenghten the vinyl.  Also coloured records are sometimes made on lighter/thiner material. Personally I have always found that coloured vinyl records have had more hiss/pops/crackle than regular vinyl.  just type Coloured Vinyl Sound Quality into google and you'll find a lot of discussion on the subject. =============================================================================================

I've never really found this to be the case with coloured vinyl, or even picture discs for that matter.  I'm not technically minded, but I had a rather interesting conversation with a customer at work the other day, and this was pretty much one of the topics which came up.  To cut a long story short, she used to work at the CBS pressing plant, and was responsible for quality control - now, I can't remember exactly the phrases she used exactly, but the quality of the pressing is down to the vinyl's finish (I'm sure she used "film" as a term).  If it had a film finish, it was less poppy/crackly than a non-film finish.  Simply put, it wouldn't matter if it was blue, red, green or black vinyl, the quality would all be the same depending on the record's finish.


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Posted: 15 Mar 11, 17:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can go with that, it would make sense that coloured vinyls wouldn't have the finish because they are usually released in smaller numbers.


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Posted: 15 Mar 11, 19:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

paulsmith2001 wrote: I can go with that, it would make sense that coloured vinyls wouldn't have the finish because they are usually released in smaller numbers.
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With the exception of MIH lol - when was the last time you saw it on Black vinyl?  So really, there should be no probs with the cream vinyl at all.


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Posted: 19 Mar 11, 02:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The other issue at play is Kevin Metcalfe's infamous method of mastering the vinyl plating masters at Townhouse Studios with VERY small, narrow(?) grooves, which EMI used for a lot of late 80's to probably mid 90's vinyl pressings - I believe stemming out of a "need" to reduce vinyl material consumption at the pressing plants.
This is why a lot of the Queen vinyls from that time period are rather thinner in thickness than most standard LP's. The same goes for the 45s, and I have noticed the quality already suffers because of the crappy mastering methods Metcalfe used.

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Posted: 20 Mar 11, 17:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

inu-liger wrote: The other issue at play is Kevin Metcalfe's infamous method of mastering the vinyl plating masters at Townhouse Studios with VERY small, narrow(?) grooves, which EMI used for a lot of late 80's to probably mid 90's vinyl pressings - I believe stemming out of a "need" to reduce vinyl material consumption at the pressing plants.
This is why a lot of the Queen vinyls from that time period are rather thinner in thickness than most standard LP's. The same goes for the 45s, and I have noticed the quality already suffers because of the crappy mastering methods Metcalfe used.

The 12" singles from The Miracle suffered badly from this.


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Posted: 21 Mar 11, 00:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

paulsmith2001 wrote:

The 12" singles from The Miracle suffered badly from this.

Not just The Miracle singles paul, ALL the 7" & 12" singles mastered by Metcalfe suffered badly, even the picture discs and jukebox promos. My grey coloured YDFM 12" single is so ridiculously thin, I have to be very careful when handling it!