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Posted: 14 Mar 11, 10:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What is this supposed to mean? I listened to both (the regular and HD) side by side and there is NO difference at all. Was this them just trying to fill up space on the Bonus Tracks cuz they couldn't provide us with any more live tracks?


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Posted: 14 Mar 11, 11:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is this HD Mix the same one as they released on that Japanese compilation ? Jewels, I think ?

If yes, that was REALLY different to the standard album version

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Posted: 14 Mar 11, 11:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jamster1111 wrote: What is this supposed to mean? I listened to both (the regular and HD) side by side and there is NO difference at all. Was this them just trying to fill up space on the Bonus Tracks cuz they couldn't provide us with any more live tracks?
I have no idea but I listened to both with headphones on and I couldn't tell the difference. I bet if I told you that I was turning on Teo Torriate HD Mix and then really put on the regular album version you would be like "Wow, it does sound better".


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Posted: 14 Mar 11, 11:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe you need the right player to listen in HD, those HDCD's that came out a few years ago sound worse than a normal CD in normal players, but find a player with HDCD compatibility and they sound fantastic.

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Posted: 14 Mar 11, 16:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

emrabt wrote: Maybe you need the right player to listen in HD, those HDCD's that came out a few years ago sound worse than a normal CD in normal players, but find a player with HDCD compatibility and they sound fantastic.
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Okay. This IS NOT in HD and you don't need a special player.
It's called the "HD mix" because it was remixed from the original multitracks at 96khz/s 24bit - so it's from the best source available, hence "HD".
Seriously, I don't even need to do an A/B test between the album version and this to tell the difference.
If only the new remasters sounded as good.

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Posted: 14 Mar 11, 18:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agree..this mix originally from Jewels is far superior to the best remaster!

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Posted: 14 Mar 11, 22:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i think we are having a communicato problemo, lol...

HD Mix is a Re-Mastered Re-Mixed version of Teo Torriate... it is not supposed to be superior to the remastered track... it's supposed to be different from the new remaster altogether...

It was originally included on Queen Jewels  (Japan) and they've now included it on a standard release - albeit deluxe version of one.

The new rematser of Teo Torriatte, ie. track 10 of Disc 1 should sound better than the Digital Remasters (EMI) Track 10. However, Track 5 of Disc 2 *may* sound different and better than Track 10 of Disc 1 but the intent was as someone else pointed out, to present a fresh mix of the song on Disc 1. THAT version was not refreshed, only remastered so we can listen to it as originally intended when the band recorded and produced in 1976.

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Posted: 23 Mar 11, 23:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I compared HDmix with album version.
I think Vocal and drums (volume) on HDmix , are upper than album version.


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Posted: 24 Mar 11, 01:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The HD version is a lot better than the remastered version, Only if they would have done the whole new 5 remasters in HD.


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Posted: 24 Mar 11, 04:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bought the HD mix on CD in Japan a couple of years back - couldn't tell the difference ha! - waste of 2200yen really.


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Posted: 24 Mar 11, 08:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The HD mix is a bit of an odd one. I can totally understand how a lot of people can't tell the difference, as on the face of it the content is exactly the same. The main difference is that everything sounds a lot cleaner and less muffled and the separation of the instruments and vocals is a lot better. Key differences that I note are: the quality of reverb on the end of Freddie vocals in each verse ("Be not gone" for example). The backing vocal/echo "dream on, dream on, dream on" is also a lot more apparent. Brian and Roger's backing vocals in the second chorus are a lot more distinct, as are the guitar choirs in the middle eight.

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Posted: 25 Mar 11, 07:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bigfish wrote: Bought the HD mix on CD in Japan a couple of years back - couldn't tell the difference ha! - waste of 2200yen really.

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I really don't mean to be rude, and I don't know what kind of audio system you have listened to them on, but when listened to even on a semi decent system the difference between the two mixes is very clear.  Sorry! ;-)

By the way, this issue brings up a related question;

Teo Toriatte (HD Mix) has no new intrumentation but is simply a remix of the original version, and was mixed by Brian.  Ignoring the 12" mixes issued at the time, 'cover versions' like Wyclef John and Basement Jaxx etc.., and the Hollywood Records remixes (and solo stuff such as John's remix of Roger's I Cry For You), is Teo Torriatte the only Queen song to have received a stand alone, individual official remix done by the band?  I know there have been things like the Rah mix of Under Pressure, but this has new intrumentation added so I consider it a 're-recording'. 

Any thoughts?

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Posted: 25 Mar 11, 09:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Hollywood "Classic Queen" has a different mix of "Under Pressure". The sound is clearer and one of Freddie's ad libs is missing.

All the hits have been remixed for the surround DVD versions.

Also the Japanese karaoke CDs have different stereo mixes of the backing tracks sometimes even containing guitar lines that were omitted from the regular versions.

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Posted: 25 Mar 11, 10:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The "Machines" Instrumental was done by Brian and both the "Back Chat" 7" and 12" re-mixes were done by John. The "A Kind Of Magic" album version was remixed by Freddie.

If you mean was Teo Torriate HD Mix the only time any of the band put the multitracks through Pro-Tools with the result of a 'cleaner,' clearer version of the original track, with no other manipulation, editing or re-arranging (as you would find in single versions and the original 12" mixes), then you may be correct. At that point, I'd argue "mix" is a bit of a misnomer, as it's more of a "High Definition Remaster." It was essentially taken apart, cleaned up and put back together the same way as before, with a more dynamic result. On the other hand, it could be said that doing so resulted in a significantly different version, with more prominent elements audible, so as to be more than a straightforward remaster. Either point of view is valid, making this version unique.

As for the other alternate versions, I classify them thusly...

Secondary Mixes:
Any deviation from the Album Versions whereby no other musical elements not recorded for that track are introduced (no artificial drum beat, sampling, etc.), including editing, extending or re-arranging original elements. In some cases, the track appeared previously in an alternate mix *before* the album version, but is still considered secondary or equal to the album.

This category covers most Single Versions (Fat Bottomed Girls, Keep Yourself Alive, I Want To Break Free, etc) and most original 12" Versions. Also, things like "A Kind Of Magic" Highlander Version fall into this category. Personally, I put the HD Mix of "Teo Torriate" in here too.

Third-party Mixes:
Variations on the Album Versions where new musical elements are introduced by and from a third party, including sampling, new instrumental work or vocals.

The Hollywood Records remixes, "You Don't  Fool Me" remixes and most others fit here.

Re-recordings And Duets:
Any song re-recorded in full or part by the band either with or without a guest artist involved.

The "Another One Bites The Dust" Wyclef versions, Queen+, "I Can't Live With You" 1997 Re-Take, "Keep Yourself Alive" Long Lost Re-Take, "Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy" TOTP Version and others fall into this category.

Demos And Outtakes:
Recordings of a song made prior to the final Album Version and songs recorded during or between album sessions not included on the original album or singles.

Here are the De Lane Lea Demos, the Hot Space Demos, "Feeling Feelings," "Dog With a Bone" and the others

Non-Album Tracks:
Any released track not included on the original release of any studio or live album (excluding collections and compilations), including B-sides, Non-Album singles and other tracks granted unique, individual titles (whether or not they'd otherwise be considered Secondary Mixes)

Here we'd find "See What A Fool I've Been" B-Side Version, "I Go Crazy," "Blurred Vision," "A Kind Of A Kind Of Magic," "Stealin'" "Chinese Torture," "Rock In Rio Blues," etc.

BBC Versions:
The songs recorded for, in full or in part, or intended for, the broadcast on BBC Radio.

This covers the 24 tracks made for the BBC.

After that, I keep the Karaoke Mixes and The eYe remixes in their own category, as there are so many of each and as such earned their own separate folders. It's easier for me to keep them there, rather than break them up and 'muddy the system' as it were.

Otherwise, that covers most of the alternate versions for me. If I'm in doubt, I classify it by whichever best describes it. Sometimes I have to arbitrarily decided between two equally valid descriptions, based solely on my gut feeling.

I think it's as good a system as any and feel free to use it, everyone.

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Posted: 12 Jun 11, 14:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There is a massive difference if you listen through earphones, the HD mix is much clearer, everything is easier to hear, the middle 8 sounds fantastic and not muddled together, but the biggest difference imo, is the drums, listen to the buzz rolls before the chorus, MASSIVE difference to the album versions. Personally, i like the HD version better, and it's nice to have an ending to the song, instead of a fade out of the spiraling guitar.


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Posted: 13 Jun 11, 06:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Good breakdown Rhyeking - however, I'd keep the Hot Space demos in their own category again - they are studio work in progress, IE rough mixes of the album versions made for reference before completion of the masters, including unfinished instrumentation and perhaps guide vocals. Interestingly, Bowie's Scary Monsters from the same era has also appeared in this form. The Miracle / Innuendo demos are a result of the same process too.

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Posted: 13 Jun 11, 20:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's quite frightening that there are people who can't hear the difference between the HD and original album versions of Teo. I'm actually really shocked! The so-called "HD" mix was a complete remix. In fact, Cmsdrums, it's not a case of taking it apart, cleaning it and then putting everything back together to have a "HD remaster". Not quite.

It's very different from what people realise or what some may believe. When a track is mixed, the sound of the mixing desk comes through in itself. That's why there are now a fair few audio plugins which add famous desks to computer based mixing. I recently invested in one. Also, the other side which most people don't know about are hardware processors (compressers/reverbs/EQ) used in that studio to mix the album. Again, these too, can also add their own particular sound to a mixed track.

So, when they (Queen and co) had it remixed, again, there was a set of equipment/software used to remix the track. Add into this the tapes transferred to digital from a particular tape machine, and you can appreciate, that that too will have added to the overall sound. And of course, this doesn't even get into the modern day mastering techniques that goe on, either!

As you may (or not!) understand from those above details, this is why the HD mix of Teo Torriate truly is a brand new mix of the song. Calling it a "HD remaster" is simply doing it a great injustice. :P

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Posted: 14 Jun 11, 01:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sadly Adam, some people are just not capable of deeply in-depth thought processes, so it's hard for them to appreciate the intricate details and differences. I don't mean this as a slight or an insult to anyone, this is what I've found with a lot of people both online and IRL. Very frustrating for me, especially since very likely due to my Asperger's I always think a lot, and am very detail obsessed!

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Posted: 14 Jun 11, 02:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Every Queen song should get a HD mix :)


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Posted: 14 Jun 11, 04:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rick wrote:

Every Queen song should get a HD mix :)

One problem with your wish is the issue of the missing multitrack tapes for certain songs...