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Posted: 19 Apr 11, 05:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Personally, I have no problems with The Miracle album but like others will say, some of the B sides are better than the main tracks.

What this topic is mostly about is, what tracks should of been left on and off, and what should of been the track listing of the album.

My response.
I think the album works best as a 10 track album.

Side A
1. Breakthru. I think the A new Life is born to Breakthru transition makes a great opener
2. I Want it All. (album version)
3. The Miracle
4. The Invisable Man
5.  Scandle
Sibe B
6. Was it All Worth it
7. Rain Must Fall
8. My Life has Been Saved
9. Hang On in there
10 Stealin (11min version)

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Posted: 19 Apr 11, 05:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Miracle looks to me great even with the original track order. IMHO


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Posted: 19 Apr 11, 21:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Now this is my forte... I have always said Jazz should have a different track order to improve the flow of the album... same with Hot Space... never really thought about it for the Miracle, I always liked the way it sounded... here's my attempt at ameliorating it...

However, The Miracle was always a 10 track album - not sure what you were getting at there... Hang On In There, Chinese Torture and the 12" mixes weren't intended to be on the album, but were rather bonuses for anyone who paid top dollar for those relatively new and expensive, highly technological, very shiny and ultra-small discy things they called a "compact disc".... remember this was released in 1989...well before the advent of the evil evil evil mp3...

Anyhoo... here's my attempt

Party
Khashoggi's Ship
The Miracle
Hang On In There
I Want It All

Breakthru
The Invisible Man
Too Much Love Will Kill You
Scandal
Was It All Worth It

There... fixed it....and whether anyone likes it or not, Party and Khashoggi's Ship set the album's mood... without them, the album would fall flat... they are essential to the Miracle... exactly as essential as Innuendo being the start track to the album of the same name and Death On Two Legs is to ANATO... they weren't as great as the last mentioned songs but they needed to be there for the sake of the album's flow and structure.

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 02:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You can change the running order as often if you like - but most of you miss one important point !

Those albums were compiled in the age of vinyl. And the vinyl album has no continuity in sound quality. The first songs on the outer part of the groove play with a higher dynamic than the final songs on the inner region. Cause the outer groove is longer than the inner groove and can store more information. That's why maxi - singles became so popular for sound reasons. Here the length of the groove played in a second is a whole lot longer.

And this was always an important point for placing the songs. For example "We will rock you" would have sounded less powerfull, if they had put it on the end of one side. That's why the bass driven "Staying Power" opened "Hot Space". Or the high dynamics of "Mustapha" exploding into stereo would have sounded less impressive near the inner groove.  
If Queen (and any other band) had produced only for CD, the albums might have had a different running order.

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 04:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak wrote: You can change the running order as often if you like - but most of you miss one important point !

Those albums were compiled in the age of vinyl. And the vinyl album has no continuity in sound quality. The first songs on the outer part of the groove play with a higher dynamic than the final songs on the inner region. Cause the outer groove is longer than the inner groove and can store more information. That's why maxi - singles became so popular for sound reasons. Here the length of the groove played in a second is a whole lot longer.

And this was always an important point for placing the songs. For example "We will rock you" would have sounded less powerfull, if they had put it on the end of one side. That's why the bass driven "Staying Power" opened "Hot Space". Or the high dynamics of "Mustapha" exploding into stereo would have sounded less impressive near the inner groove.  
If Queen (and any other band) had produced only for CD, the albums might have had a different running order.

Thanks for the info. I never knew that until now. It does explain a few things such as; why side b track 1 was often the best sounding track majority of the time.

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 05:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak wrote: You can change the running order as often if you like - but most of you miss one important point !

Those albums were compiled in the age of vinyl. And the vinyl album has no continuity in sound quality. The first songs on the outer part of the groove play with a higher dynamic than the final songs on the inner region. Cause the outer groove is longer than the inner groove and can store more information. That's why maxi - singles became so popular for sound reasons. Here the length of the groove played in a second is a whole lot longer.

And this was always an important point for placing the songs. For example "We will rock you" would have sounded less powerfull, if they had put it on the end of one side. That's why the bass driven "Staying Power" opened "Hot Space". Or the high dynamics of "Mustapha" exploding into stereo would have sounded less impressive near the inner groove.  
If Queen (and any other band) had produced only for CD, the albums might have had a different running order.

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 05:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak wrote: You can change the running order as often if you like - but most of you miss one important point !

Those albums were compiled in the age of vinyl. And the vinyl album has no continuity in sound quality. The first songs on the outer part of the groove play with a higher dynamic than the final songs on the inner region. Cause the outer groove is longer than the inner groove and can store more information. That's why maxi - singles became so popular for sound reasons. Here the length of the groove played in a second is a whole lot longer.

And this was always an important point for placing the songs. For example "We will rock you" would have sounded less powerfull, if they had put it on the end of one side. That's why the bass driven "Staying Power" opened "Hot Space". Or the high dynamics of "Mustapha" exploding into stereo would have sounded less impressive near the inner groove.  
  If Queen (and any other band) had produced only for CD, the albums might have had a different running order.  

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Well put! It's been a while since I've listened to a vinyl... but you're absolutely right about the dynamics. I still think however, it would make more sense to start an album with a bang rather than a whimper... gets it going, regardless of the dynamics of the vinyl.

Also, I don't think many bands really considered this when setting up the track listings... Hot Space's punchiest base line was the closer of the album (Under Pressure).... Seven Seas Of Rhye also closed Queen II... Other bands also saved some of their punchier classics for the end... Kashmir by Zeppelin, Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) by Jimi, Suffragette City was second last on Ziggy Stardust...

Not to detract from your point, but I think most bands considered a better flow in a track order before considring the dynamics and therefore limitations of vinyl.

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Posted: 20 Apr 11, 08:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Isle0fRed wrote: Personally, I have no problems with The Miracle album but like others will say, some of the B sides are better than the main tracks.

What this topic is mostly about is, what tracks should of been left on and off, and what should of been the track listing of the album.

My response.
I think the album works best as a 10 track album.

Side A
1. Breakthru. I think the A new Life is born to Breakthru transition makes a great opener
2. I Want it All. (album version)
3. The Miracle
4. The Invisable Man
5.  Scandle
Sibe B
6. Was it All Worth it
7. Rain Must Fall
8. My Life has Been Saved
9. Hang On in there
10 Stealin (11min version)
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I agree 100% with side A ... but, to me, side B could've been different:

6. My Life Has Been Saved
7. Hang On In There
8. Rain Must Fall
9. Too Much Love Will Kill You
10. Was It All Worth It

- I think that WIAWI is a great way to close an album
- To me, Stealing should remain a B-side, in face of the album's more "Pop" sound, having an 11min song would not be a good decision..

What do you think?

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Posted: 21 Apr 11, 01:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But people what is wrong with My baby does me. I consider this a great song.

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Posted: 21 Apr 11, 02:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Good thread - although I can't believe no one has mentioned Hijack My Heart - I really really liked that tune when I got the Invisible Man cassingle (!)

I love the CD version on the album that adds Hang On In There and Chinese Torture. Stick on Hijack My Heart and remove My Baby Does Me and we've got a deal. 12 tracks, but hey.

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Posted: 30 Apr 11, 09:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just listening to Stealin' and My Life Has Been Saved for the first time since '89 and I'm not sure I'd put either on my new improved Miracle!

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Posted: 30 Apr 11, 10:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

agreed! the only b-side worthy to be on the album was hang on in there... that's why it's on the CD as one of the extra tracks

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Posted: 02 May 11, 06:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Should of sounded?!   Obviously you're not a reader, it's should have sounded.

Kudos to Dysan for using the word cassingle ;-)


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