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Posted: 26 Apr 11, 17:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

all I can say is wow! This was a very special treat for me and my wife as I didn't know Freddie sang on this due to the release date.

I always thought it was a tribute album with the remaining band members doing all of the vocals.

God, its hard not to get emotional listening to this album, especially after reading what the wiki had to say about it, and the general message's from the songs themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Heaven

The wiki said that Freddie was wanting to sing anything they could write for him so that there would be enough in the end.

He literally gave all he had.

I really think that had Freddie lived Queen would still be on the charts today. However I do wonder if there are any old recordings of songs that didn't make it on to albums, etc waiting to see the light of day.........well, one can hope.

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Posted: 26 Apr 11, 19:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

M-train...I celebrate this moment for you and your wife!

It is an incredible album.  Gorgeous, in fact...while still heartbreaking.

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Posted: 27 Apr 11, 02:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indeed. The thrill of hearing that album for the first time is beyond compare. I envy you.

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Posted: 27 Apr 11, 03:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agrees with BigV...I still remember getting it for Christmas in 1995, and was just blown away with the songs and the level of production. Fantastic CD, enjoy every minute of it. I don't think there is any more, though I think I speak for everyone on this site that we all wish there WAS more. I guess time will tell, but don't hold your breath haha!


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Posted: 27 Apr 11, 05:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This was the album that got me into Queen as a teenager in 1995, and it still brings back some very happy and special memories for me!  I am glad that this now "old" album has brought something NEW to another fan, and this just shows that Queen are absolutely timeless.

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Posted: 27 Apr 11, 08:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Having myself discovered some Queen material only in the last two years, I can imagine how you felt when you listened to it! It's wonderful when after so many years of listening to what you thought was everything that existed about Queen,  you find "new" songs. A really moving experience.

I was 15 when Made In Heaven was released and I still remember when my dad came home and gave it to me. I was so thrilled! I love it, It's my second favourite album. It's also the only one that I listened to "in real time" since I knew Queen  after Freddie's death. Beautiful songs that sometimes make me sad but always give me peace.

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Posted: 27 Apr 11, 08:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I cried the first time I heard "Mother Love". It's still one of very few (four or five) songs that has ever brought me to tears.

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Posted: 28 Apr 11, 11:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


I was only 11 when my mother gave MIH to my father as a birthday present, and from the moment Freddie sings: "its a beatiful daaaayy.." was WOOOW, I want more!.. I was aware about the band by the time and the odd Queen songs, like anyone, but MIH was the album that made me a fan.. and well.. here we are!. I think that probably a 25% or more of the Queen fandom started with MIH in 1995..

And looking forward to the 2011 remaster!!!!


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Posted: 28 Apr 11, 14:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

took me years to listen to it........

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Posted: 28 Apr 11, 16:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i have mixed feelings about it. i'll try to explain.

having been a queen fan since '74, i assumed (albeit justifiably) that by 1991 it WAS all over. So, in '95 the release of MIH gave my ears hope of one last "new" blast from a band i'd grown up with for 17 years.  The aniticipation was soon replaced with some disappointment.

Too many old tracks - yes i get the idea, MIH was about a final sign-off for Freddie. but surely not by rehasing five or six old tracks. Of those here's my honest (if brutal) assessment

2. made in heaven - it doesn't matter (to me) that some fans like the Brian guitar sound added to it - it's not how Freddie wanted it to sound, his MBG album version was the "vision" for him
3. let me live - fantastic song, shame it was never finished with freddie - but woulda been better with maybe a group of friends etc doing a choral version of Brian's verse
5. my life has been saved - not much of a change to an older track
6. born to love you...compeletely ruined....i love frieddie's version
7. heaven for everyone - prefer the Cross version with Freddie taking lead
8 too much love - just a tarting up of Freddies demo

basically, this album "misses" too often because Brian and Roger didn't have the benefit of Freddie's input into quality control, and it suffers for it.

If we put nostalgia and sentiment aside - realistically it doesn't stand up, as a queen album it's a 5/10, as a gesture to Freddie it's a 10/10


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Posted: 28 Apr 11, 16:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

brENsKi wrote: born to love you...compeletely ruined....i love frieddie's version

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Completely agreed.  They ruined the version on MIH.  The version from Freddie's solo album was the best and how could they change that awesome song in such bad way, I wonder.


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Posted: 28 Apr 11, 21:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

brENsKi wrote: i have mixed feelings about it. i'll try to explain.

having been a queen fan since '74, i assumed (albeit justifiably) that by 1991 it WAS all over. So, in '95 the release of MIH gave my ears hope of one last "new" blast from a band i'd grown up with for 17 years.  The aniticipation was soon replaced with some disappointment.

Too many old tracks - yes i get the idea, MIH was about a final sign-off for Freddie. but surely not by rehasing five or six old tracks. Of those here's my honest (if brutal) assessment

2. made in heaven - it doesn't matter (to me) that some fans like the Brian guitar sound added to it - it's not how Freddie wanted it to sound, his MBG album version was the "vision" for him
3. let me live - fantastic song, shame it was never finished with freddie - but woulda been better with maybe a group of friends etc doing a choral version of Brian's verse
5. my life has been saved - not much of a change to an older track
6. born to love you...compeletely ruined....i love frieddie's version
7. heaven for everyone - prefer the Cross version with Freddie taking lead
8 too much love - just a tarting up of Freddies demo

basically, this album "misses" too often because Brian and Roger didn't have the benefit of Freddie's input into quality control, and it suffers for it.

If we put nostalgia and sentiment aside - realistically it doesn't stand up, as a queen album it's a 5/10, as a gesture to Freddie it's a 10/10

Yeah. They shouldn't of rehashed those songs and I agree with your assessments. It would of been nice if they had of worked on some of the un-released stuff perhaps.

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Posted: 28 Apr 11, 22:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Totally agree with Brenski.  FWIW, my least favourite Queen album by a mile, and an album to this day that I find creatively dishonest.  As Brenski said, some versions (MIH, IWBTLY) were written by Freddie in a certain way outside of the Queen world.  Then Brian and Roger get them and "Queen-ify" them.  If Freddie wanted that, he would have presented the songs as Queen songs.  The ending of MIH with its minor key dirge like tone is a stark contrast to Freddie's sad, yet optimistic version on MBG, and reeks of "Fred's dead" manipulation over the listener.  Freddie wasn't here to give his stamp of approval or disapproval to the versions if not the concept, however, as a band that fought pretty vigorously over a note, I find it hard to imagine that Freddie had anything to do with the way songs came out on MIH because they stray so far from what HE wanted on the record.  Middle of the road music with a nice sentiment but ultimately Celine Dion/Mariah Carey over the top schmaltz.  Unless you love it then my opinion is just my opinion.

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Posted: 29 Apr 11, 06:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sheer Brass neck wrote:  If Freddie wanted that, he would have presented the songs as Queen songs.

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How do you know? Freddie recorded as long as he could. So there must have been some talk with him, how an album after his death might be like. And as the the "Mr Bad guy" songs were not very successful in the days of the original release and quite unknown to many people, he may have given his okay to make use of them. I don't think that they ever had a strict seperation of Queen and solo songs. Leftovers from Queen albums were used on solo-albums in several cases. 

I was also a bit disappointed by the use of many known songs for this album. But the album also shows how they made use of every short leftover they could find and turn it into a full song. So there is no wealth of unreleased recordings.
What most people seem to ignore is the fact, that the Queen members could read and write music. So if they had an idea they wrote it down in notes unlike most other bands, who recorded every song-idea instead resulting in a huge archive full of demos.

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Posted: 29 Apr 11, 11:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i disagrree with the notion that they used every scrap of every workable song

there are plenty of songs more complete than Let Me Live was


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Posted: 29 Apr 11, 14:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i disagrree with the notion that they used every scrap of every workable song

there are plenty of songs more complete than Let Me Live was

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Yep, but those songs didn't have words like 'live', 'born', 'kill', 'heaven (twice!), 'life... saved' in the title. I found all that very manipulative.

It's not an awful album but it's so death related that in the end it becomes too solemn. It's a hundred miles from what Queen used to be (fun, frivolous, passionate rock n roll)

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Posted: 29 Apr 11, 16:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

vadenuez wrote: i disagrree with the notion that they used every scrap of every workable song

there are plenty of songs more complete than Let Me Live was

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Yep, but those songs didn't have words like 'live', 'born', 'kill', 'heaven (twice!), 'life... saved' in the title. I found all that very manipulative.

It's not an awful album but it's so death related that in the end it becomes too solemn. It's a hundred miles from what Queen used to be (fun, frivolous, passionate rock n roll)
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i don't know if you missed what i was trying to say.....but my reply was to the comment that they used the most complete songs possible...i don't think they did
there were some great songs - and also some rockers that would've appealed to Brian and Rog more then re-working Freddie solo stuff surely....to name two::

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Posted: 29 Apr 11, 16:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak wrote: Sheer Brass neck wrote:  If Freddie wanted that, he would have presented the songs as Queen songs.

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How do you know? 

I don't know.  I do know that Freddie recorded the songs originally in a style that he didn't want to be like Queen music, and he succeeded.  So given the author got his wish, to make them into something that is far removed from his initial vision strikes me as disingenuous.  If a surviving member of the Da Vinci family wants to re-do the Mona Lisa with blonde hair and nose piercings, that's fine too.  It's just not anywhere close to what the artist wanted, and I think MIH's Freddie tracks are pretty obviously far from what he wanted when he did them.  Why not take the Hectics recording and make them Queen tracks, or 1984 or The Opposition stuff?  I believe that the first go round is what people want, as Brian said "give the author his head", meaning they control final sound and direction.  MIH strikes me as revisionist history, not my cup of tea and mostly because I too find it manipulative with the death theme.

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Posted: 30 Apr 11, 03:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

there's one other aspect of the whole thing that leaves me cold......Queen (and particularly Freddie & John) were heading in a more "funky" direction - musically. And when it wasn't dancey/funky, Freddie's solo work veered between the dramatic and operatic

so if MIH was a frtibute to Freddie - why f*** the need to take his solo stuff and add rock guitar and drum sounds to it?
IWBTLY has been desicrated...and the guitar work on MIH sounds like something Brian left off the Flash Gordon soundtrack...piss-poor


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Posted: 30 Apr 11, 03:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wish every Queenalbum sounded as good and undated as Made In Heaven does. I got it on the day of the release, when I was just 10 years old and it is still one of my favorites. All the old re-used tracks show is that Queen was bigger than the sum of the parts. Heaven for Everyone by The Cross was a nice little ballad, nothing too impressive. The Queen version is epic. Same goes for Made In Heaven, Too Much Love and Born To Love You. I'd rather have new music from Brian and Roger, but I would love to hear what they could do with other 'old' stuff like this.