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Posted: 07 May 11, 08:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Probably this is a topic for the older fans from the days, when there was no internet.

The question is, what was your first vinyl bootleg and where did you find it ?

I was first aware that there must be more than the regular albums in the early 80s, when I was at the home of some guy who had a large album collection. And he showed me "Sheetkeeckers". I was surprised and curious. He played it for me and the sentence "What do you think of the show so far" in the break of "Ogre Battle" really impressed me.
He promised me a tape copy but it never happened.
So it was years later when a friend of mine surprised me at my birthday party with two vinyl albums "Cardiac Arrest" and "Falklands are rocking". They were horrible soundwise...but great to have. He never told me, where he got them...but soon I found some sources at flea markets and record fairs. The best boots I found were "Halfpence" and "Freddies boys at the Beeb" -  and one day I finally got my copy of "Sheetkeeckers" for a reasonable price......those were the days....;-)

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Posted: 07 May 11, 10:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My first Queen bootleg was Live in Newcastle 1979, and it wad from 12/4/1979 as you can probably guess. 

I got it a few years ago after hearing how great Freddie sounded performed BoRhap....and I actually bought it off a website and it came in the mail with a fancy design and CD case that looked like an official release. Great memories.


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Posted: 07 May 11, 11:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ha , I obtained my first Queen boot in1993-4 i think. It was Italian pressed cassete 'We Will Rock You'
 It  was the collection of tracks from various locations,some from official Live Killers ,some from hammersmith '75,
   But i really was impressed by tracks from bbc session 1977,what a great energy record!Funny thing is audience clapping
 between these songs just like it was also recorded during  concert

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Posted: 07 May 11, 11:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundfreak, here's my transfer of "Sheetkeeckers" from the LP to Youtube. Hope it brings back memories if you don't already own it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNTMeBq9Mfs

As to my first live Queen bootleg, it was at a record store at Yonge & Eglington in Toronto. I don't remember the name of the store and it's sadly not there anymore. It was "Eve Of Christmas," the 1975 Hammersmith Odeon concert. Ever since, I play it every Christmas Eve.

The second was "Queen Reigns The World," the Mannheim, Germany '86 concert, bought at a little record store a few doors north of the ChumCity building, on John St. I don't remember the name of that store, either, and i think it's since closed, too.

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Posted: 07 May 11, 14:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brilliant - Sheetkeeckers - my first one bootleg also.
Still got it on vinyl - will play it later.

Thanks for great memories.

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Posted: 07 May 11, 14:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

on Cassette: Hammersmith 75

on LP: Geisha Boys Tokyo 76

on CD: Tokyo 86

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Posted: 07 May 11, 15:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jamster1111 wrote:

My first Queen bootleg was Live in Newcastle 1979, and it wad from 12/4/1979 as you can probably guess.

I actually bought it off a website and it came in the mail with a fancy design and CD case that looked like an official release. Great memories.

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Then it's technically not a bootleg, as it's just a couple CDRs that someone packaged together.  A bootleg is something that is sold by a bootleg company, usually in Japan.  Non-official =/= bootleg.

My first vinyl bootleg should have been Sheetkeeckers, but for some reason I put it down at the record fair.  My first vinyl bootleg ended up being "Mania" from Seattle 77.


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Posted: 07 May 11, 15:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I remember seeing a Queen CD when visiting Germany when very young (12 ish) which I didn't recognise nor the songs on it. I didn't buy it. Regretted it for years (actually still do a bit!)

I first bought either " No more heroes" (Seattle 77) or "Killers" which claimed to be live but was BBC sessions with audience overdubs. This was probably about 1994 when I started university and became aware of bootlegs. It was so exciting back then looking forward to the next record fair so I could trawl the stalls searching for concerts.

Then years later I found this site and queenconcerts...

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Posted: 07 May 11, 15:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Check out my website - you might find that bootleg you saw in Germany.  Just an inkling, but it might be from either Seattle 77 or Fukuoka 82.


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Posted: 07 May 11, 15:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My first bootlegs were probably the Italian picture discs "Everytime Everywhere" and another one simply title "Queen" I believe. Included snippets of Live Aid, Milan 1984 and Budapest 86 if I'm not mistaken. One of the earliest cd's I got probably was the In Nuce bootleg in 1995/1996.

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Posted: 07 May 11, 16:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My first bootleg was Merry Christmas.
http://www.queenonstage.com/mywebpage/merrych_cd.htm

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Posted: 07 May 11, 17:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote: jamster1111 wrote:

My first Queen bootleg was Live in Newcastle 1979, and it wad from 12/4/1979 as you can probably guess.

I actually bought it off a website and it came in the mail with a fancy design and CD case that looked like an official release. Great memories.

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Then it's technically not a bootleg, as it's just a couple CDRs that someone packaged together.  A bootleg is something that is sold by a bootleg company, usually in Japan.  Non-official =/= bootleg.

My first vinyl bootleg should have been Sheetkeeckers, but for some reason I put it down at the record fair.  My first vinyl bootleg ended up being "Mania" from Seattle 77.
Well when people say "bootleg", I think of a non-official recording that someone compiled together and it is usually an audience recording.


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Posted: 07 May 11, 17:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Considering I got into Queen at such a young age, I never really collected the bootlegs until much later - mainly via the internet. I think I reached 'collecting' age when I got into Bowie and hit the record fairs hard - Queen never really got a look in. Although I cherished my TV recording of Wembley '86

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Posted: 07 May 11, 17:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Unauthorized recording = Bootleg


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Posted: 07 May 11, 17:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

According to Wikipedia:

"A bootleg recording is an audio and/or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist, or under other legal authority.[...] Bootlegs can consist of recordings of live performances, or material created in private or professional recording sessions. Changing technologies have had a great impact on the recording, distribution, and varying profitability of the underground industry. The copyrights for the song and the right to authorize recordings often reside with the artist, according to several international copyright treaties."

So, basically, if the copyright holder of the music didn't release it, it's a bootleg. That concert recording you posted on YouTube, made with your iPhone, that's a bootleg! Copies of broadcasts that haven't been released otherwise are bootlegs. 

That's fine for concerts and such, but there are things like "Queen In Nuce" and "The Ultimate Back Catalog" CDs which contain officially released material in an unofficial format. These are pirate copies of the songs, except for the songs which were never released officially, which are bootleg tracks (Brian's 1991 radio performances, for example). So, sometimes you end up with a jumble of pirated and bootlegged tracks.

Unreleased demos and outtakes leaked from the vaults are also bootleg tracks.

That torrent copy of Thor you're downloading right now, made by a guy in the theatre with a camcorder, is pirated.

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Posted: 07 May 11, 18:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gregsynth wrote:

Unauthorized recording = Bootleg

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Yes, but not always.  And these days with cell phones and youtube, bootlegs are less than 1% of what's floating around now.

That wikipedia article was not written by a music collector.  It was written by someone with a very limited and, quite frankly, myopic understanding of music recordings.

If I go to a show tonight and record it, it's not a bootleg.  It's just a recording I made.  It isn't a bootleg until some company decides to sell it for profit with a pretty cover.   When collectors dish out the big bucks for a bootleg, they generally do it for the collectible value of the disc and artwork itself, not just for the music contained therein.

There are plenty of "Queen bootleg" websites where people create their own covers for audience recordings they have on CDR, but these are not bootlegs.  This pisses many collectors off, because it adds to the confusion over which version is which, and whether or not this is a valuable collector's item to seek out.

www.queenonstage.com - this is the most complete list of Queen bootlegs available online.  About 99% of the Queen bootlegs ever pressed are listed here.  Just about everything else is home made - they are not bootlegs.

The word 'bootleg' has a stigma attached to it, dating back to the bootlegging of booze during the depression.  As for music, throughout the 70s the only way for most people to get unofficial recordings was to buy bootlegs, and this led to the term as most people understand it today.  But these days there is a large plurality of unofficial recordings and ways to release them to the public, hence the need for terms to differentiate between the different types.  It's not as black and white as it used to be.


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Posted: 07 May 11, 20:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I bought my first bootleg, also of 'Sheetkeeckers' on my first date with a college girlfriend at It's Only Rock-n-Roll, the great (and long defunct) bootleg and rock memorablia store in Greenwich Village, NYC, back in the Summer of 1987.

I had heard about the store from a friend of mine, telling me had seen some live Queen shows there (all vinyl!)...I was of course, extremely excited by this news and we ventured into the city on the train one night. Unfortunately, he was a strange and rowdy type and wound up smoking a cigarette on the train, which was duly noticed by a police officer who pulled us both off the train. He was underage and got some sort of citation and we wound up not making it into the city at all.

It was a  few months later before I actually made it to the shop, on that above mentioned date.  I had spent pretty much all my money for the night and was too excited by the prospect of hearing Queen live, so I had the gall to ask my date for $20 to purchase the album, and she sweetly obliged me. (we dated for another 6 months, just fyi)...

After that, I think the next purchase, also from It's Only Rock-N-Roll, was the double LP of 'A Night At The Warehouse' from Denmark, 5-12-77. Since it was a double album, it was $40...I remember that being a nice chunk of change for a college kid in those days, but I HAD to have it!  Then, I noticed the store had some boot tapes for sale, cheaper, at around $10 each and I bought a few of those..one of the first was the Hammersmith Christmas Eve '75, gig but the sound was AWFUL..strange, considering it was a radio broadcast, but this must have been like a 100th generation copy! 

From there, it just steamrolled, with picking up copies of Goldmine and scouring the ads. One guy sold me tapes of older vinyl boots for a few bucks each; I also got 'Gettin' Smile' from him...then I met one of my, to this day, closest friends from an ad in Goldmine, looking for fellow Queen traders, and we spoke on the phone a few times, and eventually he made his way down to my house with a milk carton full of vinyl boots, which he copied for me. 

From there, more contacts in Goldmine ads and years of trading tapes through the mail with people all over the world.

The excitement of looking over trade lists and waiting weeks for trades to turnaround is definitely lost in this day and age of instant downloadable gratification..not that I'm too upset about that these days!...I put in the time for years to acquire my collection, but I'm happy now that I can see a post on Queenzone or dimeadozen and download a torrent of an unearthed treasure in minutes!

The joys of technology.

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Posted: 07 May 11, 20:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think mine was Sheetkickers, also had Mercury Poisoning and Duck Soup from Seattle.  What a treat looking for and finding those things.  There was a shop in Toronto called Flash Jack's and for a kid from the suburbs, it was like another world, great tee shirts, posters, bootlegs and drug paraphernalia.

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Posted: 07 May 11, 23:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think we're hair-splitting on the definition of bootleg. 

Not all recordings need be of good quality or 'company' produced. It used to be that there were fewer ways to create a bootleg recording: 

a) sneak recording equipment into a venue and tape all, some or most of a show.

b) get a soundboard recording, either officially recorded or done on the sly by the guy at the console.

c) record something broadcast on TV or the radio.

Some of these circulated on cassettes, as people just made copies and sold/gave them to other people. Some companies with resources to press vinyl would hunt the best versions down (or weren't worried about audio quality and found whatever they could) and pressed them. CDs allowed them to do the same thing, replacing the vinyl. Now we file-share and post online, including on YouTube. It's all still bootlegging.

"Bootleg,"  as defined by Dictionary.com is:

"something, as a recording, made, reproduced, or sold illegally or without authorization".

...which is basically what was noted earlier, originally by Gregsynth.

It doesn't necessarily refer to the final product, but includes the process and legal-status of the recording, plus the medium it's presented on.

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Posted: 08 May 11, 00:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I bought the album  "Sheetkeeckers" = vinyl, 8 songs, total 36:42 length, (with instructional 'eye-gougeing' technique illistrated on cover) from the "Beggars Banquet" record store around 1977-78.   ..also "The Mad Platter" had these albums that I bought as well :  "Queen the Royal American Tour 1975,(03-22-75 Santa Monica Civic, Long Beach), 'Queen' (first album) w/gold printing, *rather than the common white printing, , also 'Queen II' in rare 'high-gloss' cover, a "White" Night At The Opera, a few others, ...although, I did miss my oppertunity to buy 'Mercury Poisoned' (still regreting it), bootlegs seem a little more rare here in the U.S. ..can't really find much in albums, since CDs