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Posted: 17 May 11, 13:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"You don't fool me"- one of the amazing songs, one of the modern-sounding songs. This song is the index of the band's sound in the 90-s. I may say so? What makes this song so modern?

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Posted: 17 May 11, 19:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I guess it sounds so modern because not only could Queen move with the times, they were mostly ahead of it!  The guys are real innovators, plain and simple.


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Posted: 18 May 11, 01:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Many thanks!  What innovations have this song?

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Posted: 18 May 11, 04:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's totally gash! Sound like those bad 80's Sparks songs. Totally spent.

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Posted: 18 May 11, 05:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

O, this completely oppositive views!

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Posted: 18 May 11, 07:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love "You Don't Fool Me".

Even more amazing to know the backstory behind it (about how it was basically just bit pieces of Freddie singing a verse that was then 'turned into' a complete track - great stuff!)


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Posted: 18 May 11, 07:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Many thanks.This is interesting observation. Where this information can be found in more detail?

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Posted: 18 May 11, 09:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think that's why I don't like it - it's like the leftovers, the very dregs of Freddies life there scraped up off the harddrive and served up as art.

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Posted: 18 May 11, 10:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I personally have no problem with how Made In Heaven was put together.

Actually, I'm kinda amazed at how great it is, considering what very little 'new' material they had to even work with.

I only recently found out Let Me Live was an older, unfinished Freddie vocal from the early 80s - to me that ended up making the song even better because I love the fact that Freddie, Roger and Brian each ended up singing a full verse.

But You Don't Fool Me... to me, great - catchy, etc.  And I'm also a big fan of what they did with turning the 2 Freddie solo songs into 'Queen' tracks.  Of couse I still love the originals, but to have the option of hearing the Queen production on those as well... awesome.


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Posted: 18 May 11, 11:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great track. Love the solo.

I think fans don't give David Richards enough credit for this song. Didn't he put it together from scraps and then got the band involved in it?

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Posted: 18 May 11, 11:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, I read about it. "The dregs"- this is strong word. We see the respect for these "pieces". I think isn't dissonance between the singing and sound. The result is very good.

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Posted: 18 May 11, 12:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thistleboy 1980 sums it up perfectly.
YDFM is an absolute joy, always loved it!

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Posted: 18 May 11, 13:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

One of my all time favourites, although I do have a lot of problems with MIH. But this track is great, atmospheric, mesmerizing, melodic. And the solo - wow! To me it doesn't sound like cobbled together from bits and pieces, DR did a fantastic job here.
Does anybody know what the basic demo actually was like?


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Posted: 18 May 11, 13:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Plus didn't "You Don't Fool Me" set the record for having the most (ridiculous) amount alternate mixes available out there?  I think I own 4 or 5 of them and I'm probably missing another 6 or 7 - lol.


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Posted: 18 May 11, 15:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I read a list of YDFM remixes about 10 years ago and it included SIXTEEN different versions (some being edits of another mix). I don't know what the exact amount of versions is.

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Posted: 18 May 11, 16:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Meh. By this time Tricky, The Prodigy and them lots were making massive leaps in complex soundscapes & scaring up alternate universe in dance, not to mention the synth-only folks of Pet Shop Boys, Depeche etc spinning un-rock worlds with richer woe-is-me history behind them. Don't get why they process Freddie's vox so much that it's muffled, neither rising above to take charge like the super-diva he could be (as Massive Attack might've used him), nor completely at one with the synths (he's too distinctive, but who the hell is he whispering to and what fer? A problem compounded by the generic angsty teen-clubbing vid.)

The only saving grace is Brian let loose, shuttling out of the accomplished geriatric muzak of Last Horizon (joking), onto the dance floor where everyone's younger than even Jimmy May:P At least it's a long way since the difficulty of inserting himself into Hot Space synths - but certainly a bit laggard compared to New Order/Electronic/Depeche's Song of Faith & Devotion by then. Ok, it's an 1-off. Who knows what greater things they could've done if given more time. 

* Just compare how little Jr Vasquez could improve on Bicycle Race
(beyond quixotic and purrrrfect!), to what could possibly done to remix YDFM. It's
already watered down unless you get creative hacking up the solo.

(Although it's not bad as a breather, being a part of MIH's flow.)

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Posted: 18 May 11, 20:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Always been a fan of this song...one of Brian's best moments as far as solos go...and the rhythm part is cool. The remixes...every last one of them blow!!


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Posted: 19 May 11, 12:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

One of the best songs on MIH that I remember so well from the record company's presentation in Sweden in october 1995. I felt it was very catchy and Brians solo is amazing...

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Posted: 19 May 11, 13:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

One of Brian's finest solos.


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Posted: 20 May 11, 05:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wiley wrote: I read a list of YDFM remixes about 10 years ago and it included SIXTEEN different versions (some being edits of another mix). I don't know what the exact amount of versions is.

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There's 18 versions of You Don't Fool Me:

Album Version (9/10, great and catchy song)
Vinyl Edit (8/10)
Dutch Edit (8/10)
Dub Dance Single Mix (8/10)
Late Mix (10/10, awesome!)
BS Project Remix (8/10)
BS Project Remix Edit (8/10, best version mixed not by Richards)
Freddy's Club Dub (1/10)
Freddy's Revenge Dub (1/10)
Queen for a Day Mix (1/10)
Queen Forever Megamix (1/10, awful!)
Dancing Divaz Club Mix (2/10, spanish guitars in only worthy part of this remix)
Dancing Divaz Instrumental Club Mix (1/10)
Dancing Divaz Rhythm Mix (1/10)
Sexy Club Mix (1/10, awful!)
Sexy Club Mix Mis-pressed Edit (1/10)
The eYe Version (9/10)
Teaser Tape Edit (6/10, because it's just a teaser edit, no less, no more)


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