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Posted: 24 May 11, 07:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So I've read more than one comment recently with less than positive things to say about 'The Works' tour.

Why is that?  I'm not as familiar with that tour as I am with some of the others.  Was Freddie's range an issue?  What was it about this tour that has so many people disliking it (compared to the others, that is)?


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Posted: 24 May 11, 07:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

At first I must say that Freddie's voice was in a bad shape on some gigs.


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Posted: 24 May 11, 10:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

His voice was in bad shape at a lot of Opera, Races and Jazz gigs too ... but the Works tour is the one that gets the most flack.  Why is that?  Are people just applying their distaste of the album to the tour?


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Posted: 24 May 11, 11:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It wasn't nearly gay enough. Freddie should've spent even more time in drag and grew his moustahce to Mexican-bandido proportions.

 ... but seriously folks ....

Given it was the 1980s, the setlists were excellent.


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Posted: 24 May 11, 11:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was under the impression most loved The Works 'album', no?

It's funny, so many people rejected Hot Space (at least when it first came out - I think the tide has shifted a bit now), but most will agree Freddie sounded incredible on that tour.


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Posted: 24 May 11, 11:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

malicedoom wrote: I was under the impression most loved The Works 'album', no?

It's funny, so many people rejected Hot Space (at least when it first came out - I think the tide has shifted a bit now), but most will agree Freddie sounded incredible on that tour.
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Same here, there's nowt wrong with 'The Works', great album.

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Posted: 24 May 11, 12:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I saw the "Works"-Tour in Dortmund and I only have the best memories.
 "The Hot Space"-Concert two years before was a very mixed affair with huge gaps of nothing in between the songs. The new Hot Space-songs sounded horrible live and the mood in the concert hall was very cold. Freddie also was in a bad mood and the bootleg of that tour somehow makes it look better than it actually was. There is a Zurich bootleg that comes closer to what Dortmund was like as it has some of these gaps. I remember leaving the building with the thought that this might have been the beginning of the end. Never forget, most successful bands only have three really good years.

So their return with the "Works" was a major step forward again and the show was great from beginning to the end. You should also take into consideration, that light- and stage shows were still developing in those days. So every tour ...every stage got bigger and more exiting. No bootleg can reproduce this part of the attraction. The quality of a concert has more ingredients than just Freddie hitting a high C at the right place.....

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Posted: 24 May 11, 12:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

kurgan100 wrote: I was lucky enough to see Queen live many times throughout the 70's & 80s and enjoyed every minute.
Having said that I would have to say the 70's gigs were the most enjoyable for me personally, particularly Hyde Park and Earls Court and Drury Lane.
For sheer surrealism, the Mayfair Tottenham 1979 (Tiny venue - very big band) and just down the road as well!
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Which of the Earls Court gigs to you go to Kurgan?  If it was the second, I'll ask before Hangman2011 does - did you record it?  What gig would you say was your absolute favourite, and why?


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Posted: 24 May 11, 13:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The overall sound of the band during this tour has always disappointed me. Especially those trash cans Roger was using. What was he thinking? Must have been an 80s thing. For some reason those Simmons pads sounded amazing during the Hot Space tour, but very bad during The Works tour. Let's just say the people who witnessed the very first Works concert were lucky bastards (referring to Dust here).

The surplus of keyboards/synths during heavy songs like TYMD and Now I'm Here. The summit of disappointment being the Final Live In Japan release. A great visual release, but the audio mix is abysmal.

Brian's guitar sound wasn't too convincing, according to my ears. A really thin sound. It's missing the heavyness which the Hot Space tour had. In fact, I think the band sounded perfect during the HS tour. Great use of keyboards as well! However, it has to be sad, on some of the Works bootlegs Brian does sound stunning. Especially the third night in Birmingham.


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Posted: 24 May 11, 14:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You mean an audience video of Milton Keynes?


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Posted: 24 May 11, 15:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

kurgan100, you attended the second night at the Earls Court, right?  What do you remember from that gig?  Is it true that Sweet Lady was played on this night?


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Posted: 24 May 11, 16:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote: His voice was in bad shape at a lot of Opera, Races and Jazz gigs too ... but the Works tour is the one that gets the most flack.  Why is that?  Are people just applying their distaste of the album to the tour?
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This is exactly why the Works tour gets the most flack. TERRIBLE drums, low mixed guitar, and Freddie's voice completely FAILING. This is the absolute worst version of the song (no joke).

Freddie was great on the Opera tour overall (a little rough on Hammy 1975, some bad gigs in Japan), he was tired on the North American leg of the Races leg (not too bad overall, though), but good on the European leg, and the Jazz Tour was very hit and miss: Freddie was decent on the 1978 leg (best gigs for him are the the New York gigs, Philly, Richfield, and Oakland). He starts off weak on the 1979 leg, but improves by Cologne (he remains in decent enough shape until Paris). Japan? What more can I say? Cracked notes, wrong keys, failing to hit 4th octave notes, cracking and airing third octave notes, dropping to second octave notes in the wrong key, etc. The Japan leg is Freddie's worst vocal tour--but the reason that it doesn't get as much flack as the Works Tour, is because it's only Freddie that's bad--everybody else is wonderful, creative, and they step it up a notch to make up for Freddie. On the Works Tour, Freddie tries to sing everything he can on his (many) bad gigs, and often fails, least at Japan, he wisely stays in lower octaves (for the most part).

So results:

The Works Tour is the weakest tour overall (for the band), and the Jazz Tour is Freddie's weakest tour (but one of the band's strongest tours).


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Posted: 24 May 11, 16:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH wrote: His voice was in bad shape at a lot of Opera, Races and Jazz gigs too ... but the Works tour is the one that gets the most flack.  Why is that?  Are people just applying their distaste of the album to the tour?

No but the thing about the Works tour is he is in bad shape a lot of the time PLUS he has that deep husky voice...and the two do not mix and match well. He barely even sounds like himself on gigs like London 9/7 and Vienna 9/29. On the Jazz tour, when he was weak and could barely make it through the songs on some gigs, at least he sounded like Freddie. He just sounded really tired.

The Works tour does have some great gigs though and the first Rio gig of 1985 is one of their greatest concerts of all time.


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Posted: 24 May 11, 16:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jamster1111 wrote: Sir GH wrote: His voice was in bad shape at a lot of Opera, Races and Jazz gigs too ... but the Works tour is the one that gets the most flack.  Why is that?  Are people just applying their distaste of the album to the tour?

No but the thing about the Works tour is he is in bad shape a lot of the time PLUS he has that deep husky voice...and the two do not mix and match well. He barely even sounds like himself on gigs like London 9/7 and Vienna 9/29. On the Jazz tour, when he was weak and could barely make it through the songs on some gigs, at least he sounded like Freddie. He just sounded really tired.

The Works tour does have some great gigs though and the first Rio gig of 1985 is one of their greatest concerts of all time.
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Posted: 24 May 11, 17:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

probably the best Queen set list ever though on that tour. Too much keyboards and tinny drum sound on a lot of shows though.


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Posted: 24 May 11, 17:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ooh, can't believe the Wembley songs!!

I remember the Works at the NEC as a top gig, although it was my first concert and I may have rose tinted specs on. I know I walked out thinking the night was the dogs B's though. But I've never been impressed by the bootlegs (eg Tokyo or the Rock in Rio vid) all of which sound poor. I've alway put that down to poor 80's mixng/production on Rio and poor quality recording elsewhere.

I'm sure a bit of remastering glitter would make Rock in Rio a great DVD/CD release of the tour - I'd buy it in a nano-second.

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Woody43 wrote: Ooh, can't believe the Wembley songs!!

I remember the Works at the NEC as a top gig, although it was my first concert and I may have rose tinted specs on. I know I walked out thinking the night was the dogs B's though. But I've never been impressed by the bootlegs (eg Tokyo or the Rock in Rio vid) all of which sound poor. I've alway put that down to poor 80's mixng/production on Rio and poor quality recording elsewhere.

I'm sure a bit of remastering glitter would make Rock in Rio a great DVD/CD release of the tour - I'd buy it in a nano-second.
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Stuttgart sounds wonderful! As well as 5/9/1985 and Osaka!


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Posted: 24 May 11, 17:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nice recovery on IAHL from the example above, I think.  Shocking start, but nice recovery.


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Posted: 24 May 11, 17:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I know! Gotta love the crack to Eb5! hehehe


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Posted: 24 May 11, 21:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't care that his voice cracked a few times during the show.  That recording is in my top 20 favourites, because of the wonderful atmosphere.  The shows at home were so informal .. almost feels like you're having tea with them while listening.


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