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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 11:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I always thought it was Freddie, but I remember reading somewhere that they said it was Roger.
Any idea who truly wrote it?


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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 11:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Some people speculate that it was written before Queen in Freddie's band Wreckage or Sour Milk Sea. I'm sure other fans here will elaborate with what info they have on this topic.

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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 12:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indeed, apparently Freddie wrote it before Queen even formed.


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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 12:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But the song must have been radically re-worked for the the song to be credited to all the band members.

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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 12:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I believe the song was much slower in it's original form too. So one of them obviously changed that aspect.


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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 13:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Djdownsy wrote: I believe the song was much slower in it's original form too. So one of them obviously changed that aspect.
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Wasn't that just a rumour?

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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 17:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's why I said i believe, I wouldn't be 100% sure.
I have a book called 'Queen;Complete Works' (Not Official, I don't think, but detailed and concise) which lists more or less any song associated with Queen, solo projects or other bands involving the members, and provides a description about each song. Here is just the opening paragraph;

Stone Cold Crazy:
                                  Originally written by Freddie in 1969 during his tenure as the lead singer of Wreakage, 'Stone Cold Crazy' was one of the first songs performed by Queen the following year, and underwent a series of transformations until it became the blistering rocker presented on Sheer Heart Attack.


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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 19:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks guys! I guess I was right!
I'm sure that they all had some input in the end, but it was written before Queen even formed.
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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 19:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can't imagine SCC in its original form, when Freddie wrote that to Wreckage, sounding like the speed metal Queen version.
In my opinion, i think that Brian May may have been the one that worked more on it to become what we know, i remember to think that this song was written by him.

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Posted: 10 Jun 11, 22:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The whole thing about it being slower in the beginning was debunked by former Queen bass player Barry Mitchell, who confirmed it was always that speed.

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Posted: 11 Jun 11, 04:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But it would be in his interest to say that. Didn't he also claim that John copied his bass parts for most of the first album, when it's far more likely than john wrote his own lines seeing as they seemingly didn't record anytthing with him as any kind of reference? I dont' see that Freddie would have shared the credits to the song if the the other 3 hadn't contributed quite heavily to it - ie, completely re-worked it.

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Posted: 11 Jun 11, 07:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Most likely, the bass lines on the first album were written by each song's particular songwriter.

I'm more than happy to stand corrected *if* a more reliable source than Barry (e.g. a recording) ever comes up and confirms if it was a slower version. But between the recollection of somebody who was there (unlike us) vs unfounded internet gossip, I'll always believe the former.

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Posted: 11 Jun 11, 08:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sharing out the writing credit would suggest reworked lyrics and substantial changes to the music, regardless of tempo. The lyrics may have also been set to completely different chord sequences for all we know.

Sebastian wrote: Most likely, the bass lines on the first album were written by each song's particular songwriter.

I would imagine John's bass lines didn't copy Barry's attempts beyond the root notes and that John jammed with the band to learn the songs - which is fairly standard practise.

They're not "composers" who could read and write music and would have the music written out for each part for others to play like a bloody musical or something. I also doubt there is much in the way of home demos from that period either. They were a rock band - whilst each member may have made suggestions to each other about what would suit each song and occasionally would have such a strong opinion on a part that they would actually play it themselves, they would have all contributed to most songs their own parts regardless of the end writing credit - hence why they eventually started sharing the writing credits.

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Posted: 11 Jun 11, 11:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

But between the recollection of somebody who was there (unlike us) vs unfounded internet gossip, I'll always believe the former.
... unless it's Brian May's recollection :)

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Posted: 11 Jun 11, 12:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Touche, Wiley :)

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Posted: 11 Jun 11, 16:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Depending on the kind of Brian May recollection. Mostly, he's off by dates or stuff like that, not about tempi. If he says SCC was written in 1976, I don't believe him; if he says they never played it live, I don't believe him; if he says it was slower, I believe him unless there's stronger counterevidence (e.g. Roger's memory, which is not perfect but is positively eidetic compared to Brian's).

Regarding who wrote what, the recent DOOL documentary includes a bit with Freddie saying he wrote the bits for the others too, and there's also a lot to confirm that was the standard practice for the four of them. While that's obviously got exceptions (e.g. the Bo Rhap solo), most of the time, the person who wrote the song also wrote all parts for all instruments.

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Posted: 22 May 14, 11:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And in the new documentary Freddie Mercury Saved My Life, you have the answer and a slower acoustic Stone Cold Crazy!


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Posted: 22 May 14, 11:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

According to Brian in the Freddie Saved My Life documentary, Freddie had come up with Stone Cold Crazy, but it was much slower. Then Brian quickened the tempo. Check out the documentary at around 16:39.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSuLhVFSQZM

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Posted: 22 May 14, 15:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"The whole thing about it being slower in the beginning was debunked by former Queen bass player Barry Mitchell, who confirmed it was always that speed. "

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Posted: 22 May 14, 16:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So now we have two versions of the truth. Brian May's version, and Barry Mitchell's. Wonder what really happened!