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Posted: 02 Jul 11, 23:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Honestly, what's the point of this live album? It hardly even sounds like a live show because of the enormous amounts of cuts. Not only did they edit out songs but cut out big chunks of them for some strange reason. It's got to be one of the weirdest live albums I've ever heard and never understood what the point of it was.


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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 01:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Live albums were never a Queen strong point.  I remember reading somewhere that Live Magic was voted one of the worst live albums.  I do like it myself but I can also see it's many flaws.


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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 03:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There was some discussion about Live Magic a couple of months ago - It was the first Queen album I owned but it was soon overtaken as I bought up the back catalogue. I rediscovered recently and it brought so many memories back. Of course, now I can see that the edits are weird, but they leave a short punchy album. The only noticable one is on BORAP the others are seemless - they have cut the fat out an I think it stands up. Live At Wembley '86 does not replace Live Magic as I find the recordings inferior and the setlist over long. Sure, there are some missing gems from the dates used on LM (and it's annoying it duplicates songs from Live Killers - Bowie's two 70's live albums from '74 and '78 had 17 different songs on both) but what is there is great. Indeed, as I said during those super LM discussion I prefer the even shorter cassette version and am still trying to track down the original Japanese release that follows the tape version. Queen is a largely nostalgic thing for me anyway, and Live Magic, by virtue of being ignored for so long, is a perfect time capsule of 1986 and me barely out of nappies :o)

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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 05:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Money, of course.


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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 05:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah really, what is the point of these live albums!?

If you want the songs just go buy the original album.

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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 08:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the band really enjoyed doing the Magic Tour and having filmed the concert at Wembley for the purpose of putting a DVD, they then found that they also liked the concert at Knebworth.  To keep a memorial of the Knebworth concert, they quickly rushed out the Magic tour hilghlights (mainly from Knebworth) in a CD called Live Magic.  In order to have as many songs as possible in one CD, they may have agreed to edit some of the songs including the sacred cow Bohemian Rhapsody :-)

LIke the guy above, Live Magic was also the first Queen album that I bought.  It was done in a hurry after listening to Radio Ga Ga from the radio.  Like him, I was also disappointed initially to hear the original full-length songs (which I heard from the Greatest Hits I & II albums, my second Queen purchase).  The cheering and audience singing especially for I Want To Break Free, God Save The Queen really made the songs sound more lively and good.

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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 11:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

gagakid1906 wrote: Yeah really, what is the point of these live albums!?

If you want the songs just go buy the original album.

Freddie wanted money.
Nooo I understand the point of live albums and most of Queen's live performances were spectacular but my question is not why did they make Live Magic? My question is more like, why are there so many cuts throughout the album? It's just strange.


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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 12:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

a) vinyl space
b) some things that are fun live make for a boring listen in the car

Like a said, and I know at least one person on here agrees - I like the edits (bar the BR one) as they really tighten up the album.

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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 13:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

at the time of release i remember reading in the fan club mag at the time that the band didnt want to release a double album. I don't know why but I read that Roger hated Live Killers, perhaps they didnt want an overbloated live album. Live Magic is butchered but i thinks its version of AKOM is the definitive version, rocky and boogie esque.


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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 16:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i thought it was alright......i feel like the wee one in the corner who objects...........

aaaah speaking of which i was ment to watch live at the bowl ages ago (bought it in janurary!) might as well watch it tonight if i aint to tired, depends.....

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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 18:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Live albums are usually very self-indulgent, so Queen decided to do one that was very concise and to the point.  No doubt it was done to cash in after the hugely successful Magic tour, but most of the performances are great.  The roar at the beginning of One Vision is worth the price of admission.


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Posted: 03 Jul 11, 22:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

dysan wrote: There was some discussion about Live Magic a couple of months ago - It was the first Queen album I owned but it was soon overtaken as I bought up the back catalogue. I rediscovered recently and it brought so many memories back. Of course, now I can see that the edits are weird, but they leave a short punchy album. The only noticable one is on BORAP the others are seemless - they have cut the fat out an I think it stands up. Live At Wembley '86 does not replace Live Magic as I find the recordings inferior and the setlist over long. Sure, there are some missing gems from the dates used on LM (and it's annoying it duplicates songs from Live Killers - Bowie's two 70's live albums from '74 and '78 had 17 different songs on both) but what is there is great. Indeed, as I said during those super LM discussion I prefer the even shorter cassette version and am still trying to track down the original Japanese release that follows the tape version. Queen is a largely nostalgic thing for me anyway, and Live Magic, by virtue of being ignored for so long, is a perfect time capsule of 1986 and me barely out of nappies :o)

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Posted: 04 Jul 11, 02:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Let s hope that in 2012 , the live albums will have new treatment and fill out the edit of the previous version.

Could u imagine "Live Magic" full cd? with tracks from Knebworth, Wembley, Budapest & Mannheim???

The same for Live Killers with Fat Bottomed Girls, It s Late, Somebody to Love...

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Posted: 04 Jul 11, 02:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, what Queen Productions should've done, was professionally record one of those freaking Leiden gigs, THEN release that on a CD. Almost all the song's performances from any of the 3 Leiden gigs trumps the stuff on the Wembley concert and Budapest/Knebworth.

One Vision: 2nd Leiden
Tie Your Mother Down: 1st or 2nd Leiden
In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited: 3rd Leiden
Seven Seas: Any version
Tear It Up: 2nd Leiden
A Kind Of Magic: 1st or 2nd Leiden
Under Pressure: 3rd Leiden
Another One Bites The Dust: 3rd Leiden or Knebworth
Who Wants To Live Forever: 2nd or 3rd Leiden
I Want To Break Free: 2nd Leiden
Impromptu: 2nd Leiden
Guitar Solo: Any
Now I'm Here: Any
Love Of My Life: Any Leiden gig
Is This The World We Created: 3rd Leiden
Oldies section: Any
Bohemian Rhapsody: 1st or 2nd Leiden
Hammer To Fall: 1st or 2nd Leiden
Crazy Little Thing Called Love: Any
Radio Ga Ga: 2nd or 3rd Leiden
We Will Rock You: 2nd or 3rd Leiden
Friends Will Be Friends: Budapest
We Are The Champions: 2nd Leiden
God Save The Queen: Knebworth

There's your Live Magic CD--every song sounds great, no need for Freddie to overdub here! Plus in the earlier gigs on the tour, the whole band have more of an "edge," and if you combine that with the Leiden crowd/atmosphere--you'll have an excellent concert.


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Posted: 04 Jul 11, 04:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Impromptu: 2nd Leiden
Guitar Solo: Any
Now I'm Here: Any
Oldies section: Any

Ditch these, man.

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Posted: 04 Jul 11, 05:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

paulosham wrote: dysan wrote: There was some discussion about Live Magic a couple of months ago - It was the first Queen album I owned but it was soon overtaken as I bought up the back catalogue. I rediscovered recently and it brought so many memories back. Of course, now I can see that the edits are weird, but they leave a short punchy album. The only noticable one is on BORAP the others are seemless - they have cut the fat out an I think it stands up. Live At Wembley '86 does not replace Live Magic as I find the recordings inferior and the setlist over long. Sure, there are some missing gems from the dates used on LM (and it's annoying it duplicates songs from Live Killers - Bowie's two 70's live albums from '74 and '78 had 17 different songs on both) but what is there is great. Indeed, as I said during those super LM discussion I prefer the even shorter cassette version and am still trying to track down the original Japanese release that follows the tape version. Queen is a largely nostalgic thing for me anyway, and Live Magic, by virtue of being ignored for so long, is a perfect time capsule of 1986 and me barely out of nappies :o)

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Posted: 04 Jul 11, 05:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Haha...Gregsynth is a major Leiden fan! Can't say I blame him, he's got a point, as they were all great gigs. :)

I personally would like more stuff from Budapest and Knebworth, as I hold those in high regard as being fantastic shows too. I found alot of the edits really annoying on LM. I can see why it was done, and I see the point of the album. However, the edit of TYMD really bugged, as they were just smoking on that version.

As much as I would love to see all the great gigs released that QP has in the vault, I think it would be more beneficial if they released them through the website or even thru the Fan Club, and have part of the proceeds to like the Mercury Phoenix Trust or something along those lines. I've always thought that would be something really cool to do. Will it happen? Probably not, but hell, I can think out loud every now and again, yes?


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Posted: 04 Jul 11, 07:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd be happy if LM was lumped into the AKOM reissue.

That's not quite true, but you know what I mean.

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Posted: 04 Jul 11, 09:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just listened to LM and i must say that i enjoyed it, great versions of Dust and Hammer.My version came with full renditions of Magic and Hammer To Fall which help the album flow better.Good Night Sweet Dreams,We Love You!!!!!

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Posted: 04 Jul 11, 11:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, the Hammer To Fall on there is great. I even don't mind TYMD from LM.

And of course, the cover is CLASSIC 1986. Everything looked like that then.