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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 04:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I just read an old fan club mag from 93, where Roger writes:

"This
is Roger writing on behalf of myself and John. We are in the studio
finishing (or starting to refinish) the Queen album. We have started
work without Brian because of uncertainty regarding his future
commitment. He is on tour in North America. We expect some involvment
from him in the new year...."

He then goes on mentioning the Cowdray Ruins gig which he and John did.

anyways,
it struck me; Brian has gone on record saying he came in late on the
MIH project, and made them start from scratch. thus; there must be
versions of these songs in the vault which were worked on by John and
Roger but without Brian's input?

sounds like superb bonus tracks to me!!!!

what do you reckon?

also;
reading this - it's strange to think that at one point in the early
90s, Roger and JOHN were the driving force of Queen...

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 05:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Which unfortunatly also means Brian does not feel these to be worthy of release..
so don't count on them being included in the 2011 Remaster. :(

They should do some kind of competition..
The winner gets to spend one day in the vault listening to anything he/she would like!!!!!
I'd kill to get that chance!
(kill animals... in a humane way that is.. please dont get me wrong Bri!)

"reading this - it's strange to think that at one point in the early 
90s, Roger and JOHN were the driving force of Queen... "

Keep in mind that back then Brian was working hard on making it on his own.
If his solo-career would have elevated him to solo-stardom it is highly questionable
if Queen would ever have been continued at all. 
Too bad for him (he really did deserve it) and good for us that never really happened.


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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 07:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It'd be nice to have the Mercury versions too. A Winter's Tale, the bare bones of You Don't Fool Me, Mother Love 1991 take(s).


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 09:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@Sebastian I agree - but it'd probably be quite depressing, too.

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 10:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is there an exact date to that quote from 1993? Did Roger date the letter? What's the date on that issue of the fan club mag?

I'm curious to pin down a bit more precisely when it was Roger & John before Brian got involved on Made In Heaven. I can speculate that if the letter was in a 1993 issue, it was probably written either between February and April (the 1st leg of the North American Tour) or October (the 2nd leg), as Brian was in North America at those times that year. 

And yes, those early experiments would be interesting to hear. I disagree that Brian might not want them heard now. I can understand him feeling they were maybe going in the wrong direction or wrong sound for the actual album, but now, for the purpose of the Deluxe Editions, as demos and outtakes, they are perfectly suited. I guess we'll wait and see.

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 10:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Interesting thought, but do you think that stuff is even around anywhere?

I wonder if any of that '93 stuff was even saved to begin with...


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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 11:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If what John and Roger did was so 'wrong' as Brian said, he'd be delighted to get those recordings released in order to have fans saying 'ohhhhhhhhhh, Brian-less versions were crap, but with him they're great - Brian, please, fertilise me!!!!!!!!!'


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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 12:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It would be interesting if Roger and John were working on a completely different set of songs? There are quite a few unreleased Roger/John tracks from 88-91 so I wouldn't be surprised if some of those were being considered for the album rather than revisiting the tracks from Mr Bad Guy, for instance?

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 13:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Haha what do you think?

I think there gonna be 5 tracks on it:

- Its a beautiful day (single)
- Heaven for everyone (single)
- No one but you
- Made in heaven (Instrumental)
- I was born to love you (2005 mix)

Do you really think that Queen put some rare songs on it?

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 13:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd love either (or all!) the instrumental versions of "Let Me Live," "My Life Has Been Saved" and "Too Much Love Will Kill You" on the Deluxe Editions.

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 16:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote: If what John and Roger did was so 'wrong' as Brian said, he'd be delighted to get those recordings released in order to have fans saying 'ohhhhhhhhhh, Brian-less versions were crap, but with him they're great - Brian, please, fertilise me!!!!!!!!!'

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Well that seems a bit uncharitable.


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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 16:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arguing about the bonus tracks on ANATO = quite right
Arguing about the bonus tracks on MIH = LOL

Although that said, I'm the guy who says he loves Live Magic.

:o(

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 16:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I bet that was the moment when John had second thoughts about his position in the band. Brian's bloody ego again. A shame really. Especially when Brian didn't even mention John's name during the MIH part in the Days of Our Lives Documentary.

That's why I hope John will do an exclusive, thorough interview with the BBC at some point. He probably never will, but still. He always seemed the most honest band member.


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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 17:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There was a 2005 video, but the only alternate mixes consists of:

Karaoke Mix (basically an instrumental version)
LP Edit (slightly pared down from the full version)
Promo Edit (from a Canadian Promo single)

The Film version (from MIH: The Films) has some sound effects, but they aren't really part of the song (it's a film, technically, not a music video).

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 21:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I always wondered if Freddie had actually helped in the process of the album making, more than just vocals?

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 22:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rick wrote: I bet that was the moment when John had second thoughts about his position in the band. Brian's bloody ego again. A shame really. Especially when Brian didn't even mention John's name during the MIH part in the Days of Our Lives Documentary.

That's why I hope John will do an exclusive, thorough interview with the BBC at some point. He probably never will, but still. He always seemed the most honest band member. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, to be fair, Brian might well have mentioned John, but the filmmakers may not have included it. There was probably hours and hours of footage. Myself, I think the documentary ought to have been 3 parts, not just 2, given the ending (in my opinion) seemed a bit rushed. Heck, a 4-parter would have been ideal, one part per decade (it IS their 40th Anniversary, after all) and cover their solo careers as well.

If there's a DVD/BR release, I hope they include extended interviews and such.

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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 22:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

> I always wondered if Freddie had actually helped in the process of the album making, more than just vocals?

Just some synths and, of course, being a major writer of all those songs.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 07 Jul 11, 23:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wonder if he selected any of the songs to be revisited, like his Mr. Bad Guy tracks or "Heaven For Everyone." Did he say to them, "I'm probably not going to get a full album out at this stage, so if you need, redo some solo tracks"?

Also, I wonder if it they considered having Brian and Roger sing a song or two themselves to round out the album. It's not like they weren't both doing solo stuff at the time. Don't get me wrong, I love Made In Heaven as it is, but given how the album came about, the possibilities were many.

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Posted: 08 Jul 11, 04:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MIH is kid of the dark horse as far as Queen records are concerned, in which we really don't know much about, and sadly probably never will. There's gotta be at least another couple of Freddie's vocal tracks somewhere that were never used. Will they ever be heard? Nah probably not...but even David Richards confirmed that they recorded four or five songs AFTER Innuendo...As much as Freddie wanted to record, and the amount of time they spent in the studio...there's no way only 2 or 3 songs were the only result...if they just put some instrumentals and remixes, it would truly be a shame. Demos such as 'Let Me Live' and things like that would be cool. But just some of the edits and remixes? Would be an absolute disgrace to this great seamless product.


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Posted: 08 Jul 11, 06:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The demo 'Another Little Piece Of My Heart' would be the best inclusion ever. :D


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