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Posted: 17 Jul 11, 10:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just listen to the karaoke version of AWT. It seems the harmonies at the very end of the song are the same as the opening harmonies from You don't Fool me. Thoughts? So it seems that Freddie did not did any harmonies at all for AWT. Just the vocal sleeve.


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Posted: 17 Jul 11, 11:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I know I’m in the minority here, but you don’t fool me is a patch work mess, there’s one verse then 3 lines of you don’t fool me’s repeated over and over, a “yeah” randomly pasted in and the harmonies taken from a winter tale. It's the only thing on made in heaven i think sounds incomplete.

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Posted: 17 Jul 11, 11:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think David Richards and the band made a great job with You Don't Fool Me. It's repetitive but when I first heard it I thought it was just Queen's idea of a "Dance" song and it fit with the genre. It was 1995-1996, after all, and it got remixed to death. Still, it's a top track and kudos to Dave for seeing it had potential.

The MIH song that I find most repetitive is "Let me live". Eventhough I like it a lot, Freddie's lines repeat over and over again. Had Freddie been able to complete the song, I think we would have had him sing every chorus a bit differently, with other ad libs, going for higher notes each time, etc. Kinda like with other repetitive songs like "Coming soon".

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Posted: 17 Jul 11, 12:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wonder if the nutters who detest YDFM are also the same nutters that detest "Hot Space"?

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Posted: 17 Jul 11, 13:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

'You Dont Fool Me' is brilliant, hypnotic, infectious. Non Queen fans in my social circle rated it highly.
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Posted: 17 Jul 11, 13:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

master marathon runner wrote: 'You Dont Fool Me' is brilliant, hypnotic, infectious. Non Queen fans in my social circle rated it highly.
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I like YDFM but it's not one of my top three favourites. Mainly the guitar part, to me the best solo of Brian, makes the song sound fab.


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Posted: 17 Jul 11, 14:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

br5946 wrote: Queenman!! - The harmonies are multi-tracked Freddie, and he did all piano and vocals. It's actually the last song he ever composed. As for your 'You Don't Fool Me' ponderings, here's the story.

YDFM was the one of the last songs constructed for Made in Heaven. Freddie recorded the bare vocals for it just before his death - in fact, those vocals may be his second-to-last recording, next to Mother Love. Anyway, about three-and-a-half years later David Richards took this material, added the Winter's Tale harmonies - also recorded in 1991, and looped some bits - that's why there are a few lyrical repeats in YDFM. He got Brian and Roger to do some backing vocals, and Bri, Rog and John added their instruments to the track, and the band had a brand new song.  A fantastic song at that.

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Thanks for your input. I still miss Freddie vocals in the part "with the dreams of the world, in the palm of your hand'. Freddie harmonies, if there, are very low in the mix. You mainly hear Brian and Roger doubled and multitracked.

Same goes for the lyrics "and the dream of the child, is the hope of the man"

I know (source: BBC2 Days of our lives doc) for the MIH album Freddie sung the lines three times and that was it. So I guess these particular lines were not multitracked or doubled by Freddie


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Posted: 17 Jul 11, 15:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wonder if the nutters who detest YDFM are also the same nutters that detest "Hot Space"?
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I can't speak for al the nutters, because i haven't been appointed spokesperson, but i can answer for myself.

No

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The MIH song that I find most repetitive is "Let me live".
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1 minute 12 second of non-repeated vocals from Freddie, the first verse, 2 different courses, then one "PLEASE let me live", one “SO let me live”
baby baby, go for it baby, Yeah, take it, oh baby, OOO yeah, OH YEAH, Come on, in your heart oh baby, ALL YOU DO IS TAAAKE.

You dont fool me has MORE it's got 1 minute 30 seconds, which can be broken down into two sections, probably two songs, "you don't fool me + verse" and "Mama said".

You don't fool me
You don't fool me...
You don't fool me - those pretty eyes
That sexy smile - you don't fool me
You don't rule me - you're no surprise
You're telling lies - you don't fool me

You don't fool me, you don't have to say 'don't mind'
You don't have to teach me things I know
Da, na na na nah Da na na nah Da na nah...

Mmm, mama said be careful of that girl
Mama said you know that she no good
Mama said be cool, don't you be no fool
Yup bup ba ba ba ba da da da dah !

she'll take you, make you and break you
Sooner or later you'll playing by her rules
Ba ba ba ba bap bap ba baah
La la la la la lah

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Posted: 17 Jul 11, 16:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I thought You Don't Fool Me was a great song, a fantastic rhythm piece by the band, one of Brian's most clever solos(though I wouldn't say his best), and if someone told me it was actually written by the band as is, and not put together by David Richards and the band, it would have been believed!


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Posted: 19 Jul 11, 05:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I still miss Freddie vocals in the part "with the dreams of the world,
in the palm of your hand'. Freddie harmonies, if there, are very low in
the mix. You mainly hear Brian and Roger doubled and multitracked.

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I must admit I never (personally) understand it when people say "I miss Freddie singing in this or that" because although Frreddie was a fantastic singer, its great  to have some variety and hear Brian and Roger sing a part to give it another dimension. Freddie (obviously for good reason) sang the majority of the Queen catalogue so it's not as if there aren't enough Freddie vocal tracks!!

A Winter's Tale is the only real example I can think of where it Brian and Roger together without Freddie (obviously they all do backing vocal sections by themselves) doing a large multi-track backing vocal section. It really shows how much they were a part of the Queen vocal sound.

Another great example is Mother Love. It gives the song so much more impact when Brian sings the final verse because you know that Freddie wasn't able to do it. That section can bring anyone to tears.

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Posted: 19 Jul 11, 08:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There are several - though not many - cases of harmonies being done without Freddie. Long Away for instance, or Tie Your Mother Down (Fred sings lead there but all harmonies are either Brian or Roger).


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 19 Jul 11, 10:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote: There are several - though not many - cases of harmonies being done without Freddie. Long Away for instance, or Tie Your Mother Down (Fred sings lead there but all harmonies are either Brian or Roger).
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Fairly certain that the harmonies on 'Fat Bottomed Girls' is all Brian as well.

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Posted: 19 Jul 11, 12:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, they're not: Brian's singing the top part (unusual for him while singing on Queen), Freddie's singing both the middle and low ones. Roger's not there.

Of course, there are several Queen songs where harmonies are all by Brian (e.g. Leaving Home Ain't Easy), but Fat Bots is not one of them.


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Posted: 06 Nov 16, 18:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bump to add a late reply: according to JSS, Fred did sing the harmonies at the end of AWT. I'd assume David Richards then copied them (and probably transposed them) for the YDFM intro.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 07 Nov 16, 02:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There are also some harmonies in the Made In Heaven version of Heaven For Everyone that seem to be mainly Brian, with Roger probably there too, but without Freddie.

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Posted: 07 Nov 16, 09:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, defo.


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Posted: 09 Nov 16, 04:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You can clearly hear Freddie in the Long Away harmonies

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Posted: 09 Nov 16, 05:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Tattermalion wrote:

You can clearly hear Freddie in the Long Away harmonies


Fully agree with that!

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Posted: 09 Nov 16, 07:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, back in 2011 I incorrectly thought that song was Fred-less. I've since realised I was wrong.


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Posted: 11 Nov 16, 13:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

No, they're not: Brian's singing the top part (unusual for him while singing on Queen), Freddie's singing both the middle and low ones. Roger's not there.

Of course, there are several Queen songs where harmonies are all by Brian (e.g. Leaving Home Ain't Easy), but Fat Bots is not one of them.



u sure about that? source?