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Posted: 19 Aug 11, 13:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The samples from the third batch are now available on the UK itunes store. I listened to It's a Hard Life from Rio and noticed a few things:

1. They took the line "it's a chance you have to take with love" from the second night for obvious reasons

2. They put a ton of reverb and Roger's snare and it really stands out in the mix starting in the first chorus. It's kind of annoying and it seems like a really pointless edit. 

3. There's pitch correcting/autotune on several different lines for instance the lines "falling apart" and "it happens to everyone" right after "it's just a simple case of mind". 

The insertion of the second night's vocal track and the little bit of pitch correcting I understand but why the hell did they have to mess with Roger's snare like that? It sounded perfectly fine in the original mix and now it just sounds ridiculously cheesy and is a huge distraction to the overall feeling and emotion Freddie puts into the song.


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Posted: 19 Aug 11, 14:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They used some sort of pitch correction on "See What A Fool I've Been (BBC Session 2)" near the start. It's just unnecessary IMO.


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Posted: 19 Aug 11, 14:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Musical vanity. Very unattractive.

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Posted: 19 Aug 11, 15:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

mooghead wrote:

Musical vanity. Very unattractive.

Couldn't have said better myself.

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Posted: 20 Aug 11, 18:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just want to remind you of something. We're all fans of Queen, right? At least up to a certain point. Well, Queen have always been thought of as perfectionists, at least when it comes to studio work. So it should be no surprise they don't want to have imperfect live material released either. Whether or not it's attractive, is beside the point - it's just how they want their work to be experienced. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if way back then Freddie was the first one complaining about his performance when choosing the tracks to be released on live albums, and insisting on re-recording the vocals on an otherwise releasable band performance.

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Posted: 20 Aug 11, 21:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@Jamster - has anyone compared the bonus track version of You Take My Breath Away from Hyde Park with an audience recording?  I was stunned by this one when i heard how amazing his vocal performance was... but now i'm wondering if it's because of some pitch correction...


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Posted: 21 Aug 11, 00:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've compared the You Take My Breath Away from the bonus CD, to versions from the pro-shot video, the matrix, and the two audience recordings I know of. I don't hear any pitch correction.

To be honest, Hyde park really isn't in the best-ever quality to be judged: The audio mix was absolutely awful on the ("common") video (the damn fluttering and bad sound mix), and the audience recordings are too distant to really hear some subtle details. Plus what doesn't help matters is that Freddie was sick with a cold or something at Hyde park, and the monitors had to have been messed up (Freddie adjusts his live pitch in spots on some songs).


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Posted: 21 Aug 11, 02:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gregsynth wrote: I've compared the You Take My Breath Away from the bonus CD, to versions from the pro-shot video, the matrix, and the two audience recordings I know of. I don't hear any pitch correction.

To be honest, Hyde park really isn't in the best-ever quality to be judged: The audio mix was absolutely awful on the ("common") video (the damn fluttering and bad sound mix), and the audience recordings are too distant to really hear some subtle details. Plus what doesn't help matters is that Freddie was sick with a cold or something at Hyde park, and the monitors had to have been messed up (Freddie adjusts his live pitch in spots on some songs).

It's weird how on most of the songs Freddie's voice sounds a bit thin (yes even on the audience recording and officially released stuff) and once in a while off key but on this song he sounds amazing... almost like it was the studio. This specific performance of this song goes into his best live performances of all time... in my book that is.


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Too late, so let the fire take our bodies this night

So late, so let the waters take our guilt in the t
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Posted: 21 Aug 11, 04:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cause that YTMBA came straight from the multi-tracks! We're so used to the other sources (video, audience, matrix, etc), that this higher quality takes a while to get used to!

Plus, being a piano/vocal song--the monitors weren't blasting on stage--so Freddie could hear himself much better (his pitch was almost perfect on that song)!


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Posted: 21 Aug 11, 05:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's why it's unfair to conclude that HP was a weak gig, cause it wasn't. The samples from the multitracks prove this.


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Posted: 21 Aug 11, 15:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The difference between Queen and Pink Floyd: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHMLA2g7FQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=83s

Start at 1:23 - you'll smile, I guarantee it ;)

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Posted: 21 Aug 11, 20:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

bigV wrote:

The difference between Queen and Pink Floyd: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHMLA2g7FQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=83s

Start at 1:23 - you'll smile, I guarantee it ;)

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David Gilmour also did the same thing in the performance shown in the PULSE DVD bonus "Bootlegging The Bootleggers," same spot and all! :-D

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Posted: 22 Aug 11, 13:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jamster1111 wrote: The samples from the third batch are now available on the UK itunes store. I listened to It's a Hard Life from Rio and noticed a few things:

1. They took the line "it's a chance you have to take with love" from the second night for obvious reasons

2. They put a ton of reverb and Roger's snare and it really stands out in the mix starting in the first chorus. It's kind of annoying and it seems like a really pointless edit. 

3. There's pitch correcting/autotune on several different lines for instance the lines "falling apart" and "it happens to everyone" right after "it's just a simple case of mind". 

The insertion of the second night's vocal track and the little bit of pitch correcting I understand but why the hell did they have to mess with Roger's snare like that? It sounded perfectly fine in the original mix and now it just sounds ridiculously cheesy and is a huge distraction to the overall feeling and emotion Freddie puts into the song.
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The snare sound is a little distracting but quite in keeping with a 1980s sound - I imagine Roger would have had a say on this, so it must be how he wants it to be...

Can't say that I can hear autotune or pitch correction on either of the lyrics you mention. Comparing it with the video footage of Rio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg6wYSKW9-Y) it seems to be exactly the same... unless of course this was also corrected before the Live at Rio VHS was released??? .....EDIT: Checked an audience recording and it sounds exactly the same there too.... so no autotune, to my ears anyway :)

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Posted: 25 Aug 11, 10:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

JacquesDaniels wrote: Just want to remind you of something. We're all fans of Queen, right? At least up to a certain point. Well, Queen have always been thought of as perfectionists, at least when it comes to studio work. So it should be no surprise they don't want to have imperfect live material released either. Whether or not it's attractive, is beside the point - it's just how they want their work to be experienced. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if way back then Freddie was the first one complaining about his performance when choosing the tracks to be released on live albums, and insisting on re-recording the vocals on an otherwise releasable band performance.

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for me this is a load of bollox...-not your statement - just the suggestion that this is why they do it.....cos once oyu think about it - if you head down this road you'll find it's a fuckign dead-end that stops at "thin lizzy -live and dangerous"
it's not perfection, or vanity...its just lying to the music buyer...pure and simple lies and they should be done under the trade descriptions act....cos once you have fuck-arsed about with a live trakc to the degree they did with Live Killers and clearly are with these tracks, then what you are selling is no longer an accurate representation of the live experience

fucking charlatans


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Posted: 26 Aug 11, 10:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arrrggghhh!!!! Listen to the youtube videos and old bootlegs. Freddie has NOT been auto-tuned!!!