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Posted: 28 Aug 11, 15:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

... is awesome. His lyrics at least. His melodies are average, and his voice isn't good, but it's one that you'll recognize right away, since no one else is like it. 

Anyone else a Dylan fan?


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Posted: 28 Aug 11, 16:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't agree that his melodies are not a strong point. Sure, there are plenty of Dylan songs with little melody, but they often don't need it, and then there are those songs that do have a great melody - like Simple Twist of Fate or Girl From The North Country.


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Posted: 28 Aug 11, 21:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ThomasQuinn wrote: I don't agree that his melodies are not a strong point. Sure, there are plenty of Dylan songs with little melody, but they often don't need it, and then there are those songs that do have a great melody - like Simple Twist of Fate or Girl From The North Country.

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True, didn't think about those. I can't believe I forgot about GFTNC, I've listened to Freewheelin' thousands of times, literally. But, for the most part, the melodies aren't super. They aren't bad at all, don't get me wrong, but you can't say that the melodies are ever, anything close to his lyrics.


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Posted: 29 Aug 11, 07:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, the thing is, folk music* has always been oriented around lyrics, much like the blues, where the object of the melody is to serve as a means of combining words with the accompaniment. As a result, most folk-melodies follow the chord-progression very tightly (this reasoning does not include some older European folk music (and consequently American styles based on it) which were monophonic and thus only had a melodic basis and did not have any kind of fixed harmony). Much of Dylan's music is inspired by the so-called "talking blues", which did not have any kind of melody to speak of. Dylan's songs are often lacking in melody the same way rap songs are: melody just isn't a part of the composition.

I do agree that Dylan's most important achievements by far are poetic. He is without a doubt the greatest poet of the 1960-1980 period, if not of the whole second half of the 20th century. Increasingly, though, my appreciation of his work as a guitarist is growing. He's done a lot more to combine various styles of folk-, blues- and jazz guitar playing than he's given credit for. In fact, I don't think rock-guitar as we know it could have existed if not for Dylan's folk-rock of the 1965-1967 period.

* When I talk about "folk music" here, I am referring to the American folk music of the first folk revival, the period between WWI and WWII.


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Posted: 29 Aug 11, 14:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There was a Dylan song at my dad's funeral... i dont like his voice and i hate harmonica, but i do respect him and like him a lot... his lyrics are like no other... and he is a brilliant musician

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Posted: 29 Aug 11, 14:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You've got to love Bob, he's fucking amazing.  My favourite album is Street Legal from 78 (I think)  He's not a folk singer though.   He hasn't been a folk singer since 1965


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Posted: 29 Aug 11, 16:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I disagree. His music has transformed many, many times, but at the heart of each and every Dylan-composition, there is a folk song. Quite simply because that is where he came from, and where he learned to play.


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Posted: 29 Aug 11, 17:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So what you're saying is that because he started off as a folk singer he will always be a folk singer. 

I don't agree, no matter though, here's my favourite performance.  Go to 2:15 for some of the great white wonder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc6HcA6kEJc


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Posted: 29 Aug 11, 20:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bob started out as a folk singer, and then turned into a rocker. If not for him, The Beatles would have kept singing about holding hand and love songs. After the rocking years (1966-1980), he mellowed out, while becoming more of a mix between the two of them. Now, I consider Bob more of a soft rock artist. He's not folk, he's not rock, and he's not blues. He's something between the three. And by blues I mean bluesy instruments and lyrics.


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Posted: 30 Aug 11, 16:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, what I'm saying is that the way he conceives music, its forms and purposes, and less abstract the way melodies and their melodic patterns are constructed and the way harmonies are related to tonality (such as in the use of dominant chords not natural to the scale in use, the way triads and extended chords are used, and which tonalities are preferred), are all based on a foundation of folk music.

Miles Davis started out as a jazz (more specifically bebop) trumpeter, but ventured much further into pop and hip hop music,  in the 1970s and 1980s. Despite the fact that his music had taken on much of the properties of popular music and hip hop, it was still undeniably jazz music, because at its heart was a jazz musician, even a bebop musician. Quite simply because the popular music had grown, in part, from his music.

With Bob Dylan, it's much the same - he has moved through all kinds of styles of music, but he gives each of these styles a folk touch. He will always compare himself to Woody Guthrie, who remains his idol. And that, I think, puts the spark of folk music into Bob Dylan's mind and his music.


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Posted: 30 Aug 11, 16:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Not really.

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Posted: 30 Aug 11, 17:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"The sun's not yellow, it's chicken" is one of my favorite lyrics by anyone ever.


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Posted: 30 Aug 11, 18:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ms Rebel wrote: Not really.

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I disagree. He folks. He rocks too.


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Posted: 30 Aug 11, 18:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dan C. wrote: "The sun's not yellow, it's chicken" is one of my favorite lyrics by anyone ever.

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In-freakin'-deed


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Posted: 01 Sep 11, 11:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MadTheSwine73 wrote: Dan C. wrote: "The sun's not yellow, it's chicken" is one of my favorite lyrics by anyone ever.

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In-freakin'-deed

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Posted: 01 Sep 11, 17:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ThomasQuinn wrote: No, what I'm saying is that the way he conceives music, its forms and purposes, and less abstract the way melodies and their melodic patterns are constructed and the way harmonies are related to tonality (such as in the use of dominant chords not natural to the scale in use, the way triads and extended chords are used, and which tonalities are preferred), are all based on a foundation of folk music.

Oh for fuck sake!


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Posted: 02 Sep 11, 07:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

paulosham wrote: ThomasQuinn wrote: No, what I'm saying is that the way he conceives music, its forms and purposes, and less abstract the way melodies and their melodic patterns are constructed and the way harmonies are related to tonality (such as in the use of dominant chords not natural to the scale in use, the way triads and extended chords are used, and which tonalities are preferred), are all based on a foundation of folk music.

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Oh for fuck sake!
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Your point being...?


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Posted: 02 Sep 11, 12:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

his songs always sound better when someone else covers them,the man cant carry a tune in a bucket


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Posted: 02 Sep 11, 13:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Last day at work for the kid that's had a summer job at my workplace for the last two years that looks eerily like a young Bob Dylan (if Bob Dylan had orangey brown hair). I'm glad.  He kind of freaks me out.  Nobody appears to notice but me, until I point it out and then they're all slack jawed and "Yeaaaaah".

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Posted: 03 Sep 11, 14:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ThomasQuinn wrote:

Your point being...?
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