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Posted: 09 Sep 11, 02:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2035367/Dave-Clark-reveals-Freddie-Mercury-chose-die-life-stopped-fun.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I do wonder though why he said he was alone with Freddie when he died when Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton have both said they were in the room with him

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Posted: 09 Sep 11, 13:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

For me it's plain wrong to turn Freddie's privacy into toilet paper. Is it greed that has taken advantage upon Dave Clark ?
Well, he would better find the soundboard recording of the Time show when Freddie sang.

But, the editor's interpretation is another story, and it is cruel to interpret Freddie's decision to give up medications as the consequence of "lack of fun" in his life. Son of a tabloid......

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Posted: 09 Sep 11, 14:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Suggest to prevent the publicity this article wants this should be the last post in this thread... a discussion will only feed the monster..

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Posted: 09 Sep 11, 16:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

doesn't change anything...and certainly doesn't harm anyone...'cept maybe dave clark


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Posted: 09 Sep 11, 17:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What's the big deal?

When you become a C-lebrity, your life becomes public.  The price of fame. 

I don't think Freddie's too bothered by it anymore... maybe we all should get over it, too.  Be glad there's a relevant article about Queen these days.

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Posted: 10 Sep 11, 03:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

plumrach wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2035367/Dave-Clark-reveals-Freddie-Mercury-chose-die-life-stopped-fun.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I do wonder though why he said he was alone with Freddie when he died when Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton have both said they were in the room with him

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Correct, Peter and Jim were with Freddie when he died.  Dave was asked to leave Freddie's bedroom, but only got to the door when Freddie died.


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Posted: 10 Sep 11, 05:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not sure if all these people who say that Freddie "chose to die" use the right wording. It's not the first time I read that it was Freddie's "choice" or "decision" and this leaves the door open for questions like 'Would he still be alive if he stayed on medication that Autumn?'. So, I'm not sure if Freddie's closest express themselves properly, because from the medical point of view Freddie did develop AIDS and that's why the situation became hopeless. The coctail would apply had he only been a carrier of HIV, I don't think it helps after one develops AIDS, or does it? Any experts over there?

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Posted: 10 Sep 11, 11:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 11 Sep 11, 09:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Trust me, I don't remember whom exactly Freddie Mercury's entourage consisted of, but I think I read it in Peter Freestone's book and in two or three other newspaper articles. What's the difference anyway? Even if only one person claimed this, it's still a claim.

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Posted: 11 Sep 11, 10:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And here come the self-proclaimed experts on Freddie's last minutes alive...

For years it was said that Dave Clark was the only person in the room when Freddie died.  The story changed only when greedy Jim and Peter put out their tell-all books that would have left Freddie turning in his grave.


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Posted: 11 Sep 11, 10:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Which I guess makes you the self proclaimed expert on why the books were written and what would have left Freddie turning in his grave...

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Posted: 12 Sep 11, 02:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dave's story seems to change as not so long ago he said that he was asked to leave the room by Peter and or Jim whilst they attended to Freddie.

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Posted: 12 Sep 11, 09:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

GratefulFan wrote:

Which I guess makes you the self proclaimed expert on why the books were written and what would have left Freddie turning in his grave...

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I'm not claiming expertise.  I'm just putting two and two together.

Would the books have been written had Freddie not died?  Did Freddie ever state a desire for his private life to be made public after death?

This is the work that historians do - making rational conclusions based on the evidence provided.  If we kept asking the question "Can it be disproven?" then we wouldn't have too many history books at the library, that's for sure.


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Posted: 12 Sep 11, 22:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You're putting two and two together and coming up with seven.  None of us have anywhere near enough information to know why anybody did anything in the years after Fred's death.  If we're guessing though, we can probably come up with something a great deal better than a couple of guys who had a half millions pounds each doing it because they were 'greedy'.  And one of those guys is dead, so it's a bit odd to hear you going on about 'ethics' when you're willing to call a guy who can't defend himself any longer a greedy backstabber. Freddie on the other hand wouldn't have to defend himself for much more than fancy birthday cakes and garden parties.

Everybody close to Freddie personally and professionally has spoken or written about aspects of his private life since his death.  It's completely, completely normal for people to do so, so your 'would such and such have happened if he had not died' is a test of nothing.  I understand that it's less typical for personal friends to write complete memoirs so it's expected that it gives pause, but in that pause people really should notice how loving, for lack of a better word, those books were.  Read the reviews on Amazon and see what the majority of people have taken away about Freddie and consider the shallow, prurient and sensationalized portrait they replaced.  I can't imagine that any of us would prefer strangers to determine our narratives after death, rather than friends who knew us and loved us for exactly who we were.  Fred had to have known books would be written about him by somebody, and we're presuming much too much to be so certain that he would see these particular ones as betrayals when all the circumstances are considered.  It's possible to criticize elements of them without making their very existence acts of mutiny or whatever.