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Posted: 26 Nov 11, 10:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

More than Pi.


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Posted: 26 Nov 11, 11:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Exactly 27.453678298


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Aside from the leaked and released works in progress/demos/outtakes, like "Feelings, Feelings," "Silver Salmon," and "Dog With A Bone," I'd say not many. Probably less than an album's worth. 

First, let's define "songs." Do we mean completed or mostly-complete tracks, or are we talking fragments or backing tracks which hardly-finished lyrics?

I think we've heard most of the nearly completed tracks. I think there are bits and pieces from all the sessions, though many probably from The Game and The Miracle periods, as many accounts say those were creative times for the band.

That said, look what David Richard was able to do with "You Don't Fool Me," which is said to have been made out of virtually nothing. The real issue is whether what the fragments hold can be made into songs in their own right. With time and effort, I think they can be crafted into two or three complete tracks, maybe more.

I'm guessing Queen's next album, if Roger and Brian proceed with it, will be a combination of re-backed unreleased\unheard tracks, similarly re-backed leaked tracks we know off, a few patchwork tracks made from the fragments and if we're lucky, a few new, wholly original new Brian & Roger tracks (with them singing lead).

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rhyeking wrote: Aside from the leaked and released works in progress/demos/outtakes, like "Feelings, Feelings," "Silver Salmon," and "Dog With A Bone," I'd saynot many. Probably less than an album's worth. 

First, let's define "songs." Do we mean completed or mostly-complete tracks, or are we talking fragments or backing tracks which hardly-finished lyrics?

I think we've heard most of the nearly completed tracks. I think there are bits and pieces from all the sessions, though many probably from The Game and The Miracle periods, as many accounts say those were creative times for the band.

That said, look what David Richard was able to do with "You Don't Fool Me," which is said to have been made out of virtually nothing. The real issue is whether what the fragments hold can be made into songs in their own right. With time and effort, I think they can be crafted into two or three complete tracks, maybe more.

I'm guessing Queen's next album, if Roger and Brian proceed with it, will be a combination of re-backed unreleased\unheard tracks, similarly re-backed leaked tracks we know off, a few patchwork tracks made from the fragments and if we're lucky, a few new, wholly original new Brian & Roger tracks (with them singing lead).


Thank you so much Rhyeking! I'm agree with you!
I'd like to hear songs like Assassin, Friends In Pain or Victory... ... ...but don't you find it strange that Roger recently said he didn't remember at all having worked on Dog With A Bone?

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Posted: 26 Nov 11, 13:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't find it odd at all. The Miracle sessions were busy and productive, with the band completing 17 full tracks that we know of, numerous fragments that we know of and likely a bunch more bits and pieces in various states of completion. Plus, Roger was working with The Cross at the time, so after more than 20 years, I can believe sessions start to blur together and all he'd remember reliably would be the tracks on The Miracle album, which got the most attention.

I also don't believe the track "Friends In Pain" exists or was ever even written. It seems to me to be a figment of a someone's imagination, possibly stemming from the belief that the two John Deacon/Freddie Mercury tracks from A Kind Of Magic might have originated as a single John song. I could be wrong, but do we have any concrete evidence it exists?

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Friends in Pain? Well, firstly that's a very cheesy title and secondly, it's the first time I hear it. But answering your question, God knows how many unheard songs they have in the vaults, but one thing is sure - all the best ones were put on Made In Heaven. So, I wouldn't hold my breath and keep in mind that the talk of a new album began after they signed up with Universal. Before this, the notion of putting a new Freddie album together was pretty much non-existent. Anyway, good luck to them. I await the "Days of Our Lives" DVD which seems good, really good.

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That's enough Pi for me.


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Posted: 26 Nov 11, 20:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Eleventeen


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Ok :) Maybe you're right and that are just rumors about Friends In Pain! Do we have evidence about Assassin?

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Actually in MIH there was just 3 unheard songs in '95...one of these moreover, completely "built" by David Richards...

Friends In Pain is a song mentioned in many sites like this
http://www.queenvault.com/akom.html

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(In the same theme as the chorus of American Pie)

Pi, Pi, mathematical Pi, three point one four one five nine two, six five three five eight nine seven, nine three two three eight four six two, six four three three eight three two seven (not rounded).


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Assasain not sure about this track but Victory ive heard album the jacksons version and maybe just maybe it would be good.

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One life is not enough to fully listen to the entire  audio material in archives


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rhyeking wrote: I don't find it odd at all. The Miracle sessions were busy and productive, with the band completing 17 full tracks that we know of, numerous fragments that we know of and likely a bunch more bits and pieces in various states of completion. Plus, Roger was working with The Cross at the time, so after more than 20 years, I can believe sessions start to blur together and all he'd remember reliably would be the tracks on The Miracle album, which got the most attention.

I also don't believe the track "Friends In Pain" exists or was ever even written. It seems to me to be a figment of a someone's imagination, possibly stemming from the belief that the two John Deacon/Freddie Mercury tracks from A Kind Of Magic might have originated as a single John song. I could be wrong, but do we have any concrete evidence it exists?

Ok :) Maybe you're right and that are just rumors about Friends In Pain! Do we have evidence about Assassin? 



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k-m wrote: Friends in Pain? Well, firstly that's a very cheesy title and secondly, it's the first time I hear it. But answering your question, God knows how many unheard songs they have in the vaults, but one thing is sure - all the best ones were put on Made In Heaven. So, I wouldn't hold my breath and keep in mind that the talk of a new album began after they signed up with Universal. Before this, the notion of putting a new Freddie album together was pretty much non-existent. Anyway, good luck to them. I await the "Days of Our Lives" DVD which seems good, really good.


Actually in MIH there was just 3 unheard songs in '95...one of these moreover, completely "built" by David Richards...
Friends In Pain is a song mentioned in many sites like this
http://www.queenvault.com/akom.html

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kevinhairsineevans wrote: Assasain not sure about this track but Victory ive heard the michael jackson version and maybe just maybe it woudl be good.


Victory is an unpublished song never heard by anyone...

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The home demos would be interesting to hear, although I'd assume that they'd be in the respective members archive rather than the Queen one. It's telling that the demo recordings we heard on the last batch were solely Rogers songs - perhaps he agreed with the comments about the first batches issued and dug into the vault. That said, I can believe the 70's and early 80's demos are not of a sonic quality QP would deem suitable for release - hence we only got the early studio working versions, or from the period after Roger got a decent home set up. Of course then we're left deciding between, say, the demos that John made but didn't submit to the band (caught between the definition of home demo and actual 'Queen' songs) and those familiar tracks by the other 3 but before Queen got hold of them. They were lucky as I imagine for the most part their discarded 'Queen' songs just ended up on their solo stuff. So anyway, a nice load of home demos of songs we've heard would be enough for me. But I should guess that will wait until this 'new' album of studio off cuts is out.

AND I'm still waiting for the COMPLETE Live Killers and Live Magic to appear, along with all those other stray b-sides and edits we haven't had yet.

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Gianfrancesco wrote:


k-m wrote: Friends in Pain? Well, firstly that's a very cheesy title and secondly, it's the first time Ihear it. But answering your question, God knows how many unheard songs they have in the vaults, but one thing is sure - all the best ones were put on Made In Heaven. So, I wouldn't hold my breath and keep in mind that the talk of a new album began after they signed up with Universal. Before this, the notion of putting a new Freddie album together was pretty much non-existent. Anyway, good luck to them. I await the "Days of Our Lives" DVD which seems good, really good.


Actually in MIH there was just 3 unheard songs in '95...one of these moreover, completely "built" by David Richards...
Friends In Pain is a song mentioned in many sites like this
http://www.queenvault.com/akom.html

Well, the fact that there were only 3 brand new songs on MIH should give you a hint, I think. What I wrote doe not contradict it either, if that's clear enough. And as for Friends in Pain, I'd rather avoid the guessing game, really. Maybe it exists, maybe it doesn't - ask Brian May, maybe he knows. I wouldn't trouble Roger though;)

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It could be a long wait,me thinks !!