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Posted: 04 Dec 11, 21:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd just thought I'd share this with the queenzone community so this video could reach more people... Queen fans or not.

For all those people who are perpetrators of bullying and putting down others... I hope this video will make a difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdkNn3Ei-Lg&feature=youtu.be


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Posted: 05 Dec 11, 06:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ugh... Not to sound rude, and I'm sure everyone is going to go off when I say this, but maybe if the kid worked out, practiced an instrument, or learned how to spell common words (that he should definitely know going into eighth grade) instead of scribbling on note cards and crying on Youtube - he could of made some friends, or at least looked more intimidating to stop the bullying.

The kid might as well of painted a target on his head, he'll be remembered for this video for the better part of his life. Sure he may have 'internet friend' support, but I doubt this will help his social situation at school, in fact, I think it would make it much worse. "Go cry on Youtube kid."

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N0_Camping4U wrote: Ugh... Not to sound rude, and I'm sure everyone is going to go off when I say this, but maybe if the kid worked out, practiced an instrument, or learned how to spell common words (that he should definitely know going into eighth grade) instead of scribbling on note cards and crying on Youtube - he could of made some friends, or at least looked more intimidating to stop the bullying.

The kid might as well of painted a target on his head, he'll be remembered for this video for the better part of his life. Sure he may have 'internet friend' support, but I doubt this will help his social situation at school, in fact, I think it would make it much worse. "Go cry on Youtube kid."

Just my two cents.


You have a good point. But the thing is, I think the main reason why this kid made this video is to make others aware and let the public know just how much bullying can hurt someone rather than just hoping to help his own situation... He was very brave to do this and millions of people have seen it.


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Posted: 05 Dec 11, 14:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



jamster1111 wrote: I'd just thought I'd share this with the queenzone community so this video could reach more people... Queen fans or not.

For all those people who are perpetrators of bullying and putting down others... I hope this video will make a difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdkNn3Ei-Lg&feature=youtu.be


Sorry Jamster1111 but I don't share your views on this one. This kid was just being attention seeking, plus, have you seen the new video from him? Turns out everyone in school 'loves' him now, and he's arrogant as fuck..so no, i'm not going to sympathise with him, he doesn't deserve it.


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Posted: 05 Dec 11, 16:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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jamster1111 wrote: I'd just thought I'd share this with the queenzone community so this video could reach more people... Queen fans ornot.

For all those people who are perpetrators of bullying and putting down others... I hope this video will make a difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdkNn3Ei-Lg&feature=youtu.be


Sorry Jamster1111 but I don't share your views on this one. This kid was just being attention seeking, plus, have you seen the new video from him? Turns out everyone in school 'loves' him now, and he's arrogant as fuck..so no, i'm not going to sympathise with him, he doesn't deserve it.


Wow.. it's amazing how things could suddenly turn around. I haven't seen the new video. Can you post the link?


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Posted: 05 Dec 11, 16:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



N0_Camping4U wrote: Ugh... Not to sound rude, and I'm sure everyone is going to go off when I say this, but maybe if the kid worked out, practiced an instrument, or learned how to spell common words (that he should definitely know going into eighth grade) instead of scribbling on note cards and crying on Youtube - he could of made some friends, or at least looked more intimidating to stop the bullying.

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Posted: 05 Dec 11, 17:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So it does turn out that the situation totally turned around. However, just because he seems very happy now and even arrogant in a way it doesn't mean that he lied before. A lot of stuff could happen in 4 months and the point of the video was more to show just how people feel when they get bullied and knocked down. 

The only thing that bothers me about this recent video is the way in which he goes about it. And why does he have to talk SO gay. It's one thing? to prefer men or women but it's another thing to talk in some weird and annoying way. One of the main reasons why so many people pick on gay people is not because they have a sexual preference but they pick on them because of the way that unnecessarily dress, act, and talk just to receive attention (Freddie is an exception because he didn't use that as a tool to get attention and popularity). But come to think about it, I'd be bothered by a straight person if they acted in such a way...

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Posted: 05 Dec 11, 21:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

really? he's a kid, cut him some slack.
How many of us were total pricks at that age and managed to mature as we figured out life?

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N0_Camping4U wrote: Ugh... Not to sound rude, and I'm sure everyone is going to go off when I saythis, but maybe if the kid worked out, practiced an instrument, or learned how to spell common words (that he should definitely know going into eighth grade) instead of scribbling on note cards and crying on Youtube - he could of made some friends, or at least looked more intimidating to stop the bullying.
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Posted: 06 Dec 11, 01:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There is so much ignorance in this thread.  But you seem to be mostly teenagers, so I'll put on my lecturer's cap for a moment.  Grab your pen and paper.

Thousands of teenagers in Canada and the US commit suicide every year because they are bullied.  You folks only reveal your short-sightedness and complete lack of empathy when you choose to vilify the bullied instead of the bully.

How can a kid possibly want to learn an instrument or work out if his peers are calling him names and beating him up every day, to the point that he can barely function?  Do you know what it's like to be that kid?  I highly doubt it.

People have since come to admire Jonah.  He found a medium to open up, millions of people watched it (most of whom sympathized, a few of whom are homophobic twats), and he has earned the respect of his peers.  Good on him.

>One of the main reasons why so many people pick on gay people is not because they have a sexual preference but they pick on them because of the way that unnecessarily dress, act, and talk just to receive attention<

It's not a sexual "preference."  It is his sexuality.  It is his biology.  It is who he is.  This is a good time to note that homosexuality has been observed in over 1,500 species of animals, while homophobia has been observed in only one.  Why does he "talk so gay" ?  Because he's gay.  Methinks it's time to grow up and deal with it.

"Unnecessarily" dress?  According to whom?  You, whose precious comfort level of shorts and a Chicago Bulls t-shirt is being attacked by his self-expression?  Nobody's telling you to look at him and pass judgment.  Let him express himself how he wants to.  He's finding his place in the world.  Let him.  Don't impede his progress.

A wonderful fellow named Jonathon posted a response video.  I implore you to tell me it does not move you in some way - http://youtu.be:80/0s7vrxXHcSg

Jonathon is part of this project, which has made a difference in hundreds of thousands of lives - http://www.thetrevorproject.org

Attention seeker?  Anything but.  People like this are saving lives.  No doubt countless teenagers have found solace in what these two fine gentlemen have done.  In Jonah's case, that's quite an accomplishment for a 14 year old.  What have you nay-sayers done for the greater good, except complain behind the safety of your computer screen?

I encourage you to keep posting non-Queen things.  You might learn something.  It's better you do it here and learn in the privacy of your own home than to do it in public and make a fool out of yourself.

I give the final word to the brilliant Rick Mercer - http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=Wh1jNAZHKIw


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Posted: 06 Dec 11, 03:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFlD-rs7jc


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Posted: 06 Dec 11, 03:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai2VabuRF64  the better version


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Posted: 06 Dec 11, 08:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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The Real Wizard wrote: There is so much ignorance in this thread.  But you seem to be mostly teenagers, so I'll put on my lecturer's cap for a moment.  Grab your pen and paper.

Thousands of teenagers in Canada and the US commit suicide every year because they are bullied.  You folks only reveal your short-sightedness and complete lack of empathy when you choose to vilify the bullied instead of the bully.

How can a kid possibly want to learn an instrument or work out if his peers are calling him names and beating him up every day, to the point that he can barely function?  Do you know what it's like to be that kid?  I highly doubt it.

People have since come to admire Jonah.  He found a medium to open up, millions of people watched it (most of whom sympathized, a few of whom are homophobic twats), and he has earned the respect of his peers.  Good on him.

>One of the main reasons why so many people pick on gay people is not because they have a sexual preference but they pick on them because of the way that unnecessarily dress, act, and talk just to receive attention<

It's not a sexual "preference."  It is his sexuality.  It is his biology.  It is who he is.  This is a good time to note that homosexuality has been observed in over 1,500 species of animals, while homophobia has been observed in only one.  Why does he "talk so gay" ?  Because he's gay.  Methinks it's time to grow up and deal with it.

"Unnecessarily" dress?  According to whom?  You, whose precious comfort level of shorts and a Chicago Bulls t-shirt is being attacked by his self-expression?  Nobody's telling you to look at him and pass judgment.  Let him express himself how he wants to.  He's finding his place in the world.  Let him.  Don't impede his progress.

A wonderful fellow named Jonathon posted a response video.  I implore you to tell me it does not move you in some way - http://youtu.be:80/0s7vrxXHcSg>

Jonathon is part of this project, which has made a difference in hundreds of thousands of lives -
http://www.thetrevorproject.org>

Attention seeker?  Anything but.  People like this are saving lives.  No doubt countless teenagers have found solace in what these two fine gentlemen have done.  In Jonah's case, that's quite an accomplishment for a 14 year old.  What have you nay-sayers done for the greater good, except complain behind the safety of your computer screen?

I encourage you to keep posting non-Queen things.  You might learn something.  It's better you do it here and learn in the privacy of your own home than to do it in public and make a fool out of yourself.

I give the final word to the brilliant Rick Mercer -
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=Wh1jNAZHKIw>


Everyone has a hard time growing up, everyone has awkward teen years, and with puberty and all the raging hormones.. those years are going to be weird years. It happens to just about everyone. Part of growing up, and being a man or woman is being able to deal with stress, sorrow, emotions. Handling them accordingly, and moving on. This isn't the first kid to get bullied, nor will he be the last. The people who bully him probably never even watched the video. He has a lot of internet support, and if that makes him stop crying on youtube, then I'm happy for him.

Also, you don't need 'peers' to help you work out or play an instrument. Youtube (which he's quite comfortable with) can easily help him out. He wouldn't be 'put down' by anyone.

Secondly, if you're cutting your self in second grade, then you have some serious problems. I know you were bullied, but boo-hoo it's second grade. He should get some serious help, and some parents that are more aware if he was under the radar supposedly cutting him self.

"Do you know what it's like to be that kid?"

No, I don't. Because I was never bullied because I wasn't a girl. You don't know what it's like to be him either, so you can't really say that.

Lastly, just because our opinion differs from yours doesn't mean we're teenagers. So grab your pen and paper and take some notes yourself.

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Posted: 06 Dec 11, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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>Everyone has a hard time growing up, everyone has awkward teen years<

Yes, but not everyone is bullied to the point of considering or committing suicide.

>Also, you don't need 'peers' to help you work out or play an instrument.  Youtube (which he's quite comfortable with) can easily help him out.  He wouldn't be 'put down' by anyone.<

Oh yeah, when he's dreading the next school day because a bunch of kids are going to beat him up after calling him a faggot ad nausea, he can simply switch that off and learn to play the trumpet.  You just have no connection to reality.  Maybe if you were bullied you'd understand.

>You don't know what it's like to be him either, so you can't really say that<

Ah, so you're an expert on my past?  You just may have some potential as a psychic, but don't quit your day job just yet.


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Posted: 06 Dec 11, 13:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Interesting.
I've been bullied for a short time, but I never TRIED to kill myself. I was THINKING about killing myself many times, but I always ended thinking that it will be better if I kill THEM . It's quite sad that some people are so weak and want to SERIOUSLY commit suicide, I always felt much more anger than sadness.

I also can't believe that he makes this public and puts his story on youtube. When I got beaten I wanted to hide myself forever and not talk with anybody. Fortunately my "bullying time" didn't last long, after I gained some weight, started to listen to punk rock , hang out with punks and skins and beat anybody who tried to beat me, I suddenly wasn't interesting for those cocks, they found "better" victims.

There is no solution to this problem, bullies will ALWAYS exist. Sad but true.

Oh, now I noticed that kid is gay. Looks like the poor guy told it to the incorrect persons.

But seriously - Queen - Serious Discussion ?

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Kids do need to be loved and to know that their strengths make them wonderful, unique people. That said, the masses would do well I think to think a little more deeply about lionizing people on the basis of 4 minute video clips on the Internet.  This kid went from saint to sinner in an electronic blink - from tortured and brave to arrogant and undeserving in a single click over to the next clip.  It's all a little illusory, isn't it.  All we actually know for sure about 'Jonah' - who we're now on a first name basis with apparently -  is that he skillfully captured and communicated the very real essence of adolescent pain in a way that emotionally connected on a medium that prizes punch and a short attention spans over complexity and depth.  It's possible that the biggest take away here is that he'd have a great career in advertising or marketing.

Situations where kids are being bullied in high school are usually years in the making - years of failing to successfully socially connect,years of having their self worth eroded by negative messages from peers and sometimes even teachers and their own families.  Some kids are literally crippled by fear of failure and rejection by this point, and don't even know how to initiate or be part of a mutually pleasing social interaction, even though they usually desperately want to.   By this time their active responsibility for some of their social impairment is real.  Attempting to insulate teens entirely from the negative consequences of reality - while demonizing people behaving like people - seems to me to unnecessarily strip them of the power to understand that sometimes, in some ways, it is them.  And that that's OK.  That though time has a way of smoothing the jagged peaks and troughs of adolescence into mere bumps,  there are risks and benefits to deviating from norms and expectations for everyone for their entire lives.

The only 'pay-off' for being a victim of bullying or childhood cruelty is a strength, maturity, empathy and introspection that some people may only reach years later, if ever.  There are many things bullied children need to be protected from, but that isn't one of them.  I don't think instant, fleeting, shallow internet love and fame - the electronic equivalent of everybody gets a trophy - is a substitute for anything of much worth.

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The Real Wizard wrote: N0_Camping4U wrote:

>Everyone has a hard time growing up, everyone has awkward teen years<

Yes, but not everyone is bullied to the point of considering or committing suicide.

>Also, you don't need 'peers' to help you work out or play an instrument.  Youtube (which he's quite comfortable with) can easily help him out.  He wouldn't be 'put down' by anyone.<

Oh yeah, when he's dreading the next school day because a bunch of kids are going to beat him up after calling him a faggot ad nausea, he can simply switch that off and learn to play the trumpet.  You just have no connection to reality.  Maybe if you were bullied you'd understand.

>You don't know what it's like to be him either, so you can't really say that<

Ah, so you're an expert on my past?  You just may have some potentialas a psychic, but don't quit your day job just yet.


The whole reason I said " You don't know what it's like to be him either, so you can't really say that "

Is because you said: "Do you know what it's like to be that kid?  I highly doubt it."

You got a little mad with your last comment there, 'teacher'.  "Don't quit my day job" ? I used YOUR own statement against you!
 " Ah, so you're an expert on my past?  You just may have some potential as a psychic, but don't quit your day job just yet."
Note how I when I read your original statement, or, assumption, really, I didn't say " Ah, so you're an expert ALL of our past?  You just may have some potential as a psychic, but don't quit your day job just yet. " But, well, Now I can!

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Posted: 07 Dec 11, 13:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What about Cheetahs?

They can run faster than anything on this planet, and therefore are quite successful bullying other animals into submission and then eating them. 

How is this acceptable but a little wussy gets all this attention and campaigns to stop the abuse?

Survival of the fittest has been the oldest characteristic on Planet Earth, why do we need to feel sorry for this insignificant little person?