I love pedantic posts, so here’s one:
>>> Seems that surprisingly the main talking point of the recent multitrack leaks is John's basslines. I concur fully - amazing stuff.
Haven’t heard those more recent stems but I hope I will soon(er or later). But the ones I’ve heard from the past (e.g. Somebody to Love) are indeed great.
>>> And even though the opening bass part to Radio Ga Ga is pretty prominent on the record hearing it in isolation is a revelation. Its so moody and... deep! Its like he has detuned his bass into the key of..... hell!!!
Isn’t it a synth?
>>> I hope that listening to the isolated tracks of John's bass playing will show some of the people here on Queenzone that he was as important a member of the group as anyone.
Important, yes. Fundamental, yes. As important as anyone, no. In terms of songwriting, arrangements and producing, he contributed less than the others, and that can easily be measured mathematically. Moreover, while the other three contributed instrumentally and vocally, he only contributed (excellently of course) to the former department. So no, he was not *as* important as the others.
>>> I have gotten the feeling, through reading various posts over the past few years, that some people think that he was just a bass player by numbers and apart from writing a few hit songs didn't really contribute too much to the Queen sound.
He contributed a lot and without him there wouldn’t be Queen IMO. But it doesn’t mean he was equally important as the others. Without my legs, I wouldn’t be the same; but it doesn’t mean my legs are just as important as my heart or my brain.
>>> I guess until we hear all of Johns tracks we'll never know for sure all the small tricks john used.
To be pedantic, the tricks weren’t necessarily John’s. A lot of them could’ve been suggested or done by the producers, the engineers or the person who’d written each song. John did an amazing job at playing those parts, but it doesn’t mean he had absolute control over every little detail concerning them.
>>> Have you not heard the 3 bass tracks on Bo Rhap multitracks? Roy Thomas Baker always did this.
Er… no, he didn’t: Killer Queen, Brighton Rock, Good Company and (I’m only 90% sure at the moment) Prophet’s Song only had two bass tracks. 2 is not the same as 3 (it’s not pedantry, it’s pre-school maths). Bo Rhap was an exception rather than the
>>> And yes Deacy is missed just as much as Freddie.
In some ways yes, or perhaps even more (for instance, while Roger, Brian and Paul are all descent piano players and very good singers, none of them is a particularly apt bassist), but not in others. Songwriting-wise, Queen without John would’ve lost 11% of their output; Queen without Freddie would’ve lost 40%, not to mention the amount of Deacon songs that would’ve been left without lyrics and melody in that case.
>>> The Q+PR tours made the bass lines unlistenable to me, no depth or feeling. Paul did well, on some songs, but I definately think John was missed more on those live tours.
Yes Paul did well but what does it have to do with bass? Paul sang, and Danny played bass.
>>> Stop being pedantic.
Er … no. If you don’t like it, you’ve got several options: get your facts straight before posting, leave the forum or keep crying like a baby. Your choice.
>>> It's 3 seperate bass tracks treated differently,then.
Yes but that’s not the same. And since this post deals with specific terminology, it’s fair to quibble over terminology. Or should we call the bass a violin since they’ve both got strings, as we’re too lazy to use the right terms?
>>> But added together it becomes treble tracked.
No, it doesn’t. What the fuck are you talking about? If you’re mixing up treble and triple, the same concept applies … it’s not the same at all.
>>> When tracks are playing the same thing, Like Freddies 2 pianos, his voice, snares and kicks etc, then mixed together it is called double tracking,
There were not two pianos (on Bo Rhap at least), but only one. Snares and kicks are obviously not playing the same thing, as they’re completely different items. It’s not pedantry, it’s pre-school eye-brain coordination and toddler maths, respectively: a snare is not a bass-drum and 1 is not the same as 2.
>>> Done to thicken and strengthen the sounds.
Er … wrong again. Well, sort of … stereo recording for piano (that’s the technique you’re talking about) is used to recreate the actual experience of being there, so you can hear the piano’s high end (and THAT is what is known as treble, by the way) on one side and the low end on the other. For drums, it’s used to emulate the feeling that you’re there with the drummer, or that the drummer’s there with you, as well as to more easily EQ and edit the different items on the kit (EQing a kick uses different approaches to EQing cymbals, etc.).
>>> Anyway, when freddie double tracked himself he resang the parts, didn't just double up something he had already sung.
So, he double-tracked himself but he didn’t double-track himself?
John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.