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Posted: 22 Dec 11, 04:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

a 7 min long video in HD from 1976 Queen Live at Hyde Park 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMGZ0lilXX4 

Enjoy and have a Merry XMAS and a Happy New Year...From Romania to you all!!!!

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Posted: 22 Dec 11, 07:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nice work, I recommend to watch it with the "snow feature" on :-)

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Posted: 22 Dec 11, 07:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Considering it was actually shot in SD!

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Posted: 22 Dec 11, 09:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wonder why QPL won't release it? Is it Brian's stubbornness over small technical glitch's. Seems like Wembley, M Keynes, Monteal all have post production fixes, why not this one?? Same goes for Earl Court they could use both nights to cover the tech mistakes.

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Posted: 22 Dec 11, 10:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The good source sounds exceptional. QP, release this.


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Posted: 23 Dec 11, 01:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

KevoM wrote: Considering it was actually shot in SD!
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The hyde park gig  was shot on 16 mm... 16 mm has 1800 lines (Full HD has 1080)... of course the quality video also depends of the conservation of the film, till the moment all the official footage i have seen of Hyde park has GOOD video quality...
Of course this youtube video isn´t real HD (cause she or he uses hdtv rips or dvd sources) but if all the film of hyde park is in well state of conservation and with a bit of work on it they could even release it on Blu ray like Montreal...


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Posted: 23 Dec 11, 13:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

After seeing it on my HD TV on the DOOL Doc, this concert would look great on blu-ray.


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Posted: 24 Dec 11, 07:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It was shot on 2 inch Quad videotape.

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Posted: 24 Dec 11, 09:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The defition of which would far outstrip the quality of a standard DVD. Most DVDs only offer about half the definiton the format can actually offer as the capacity of DVD is so small they have to massively compress and degrade the quality of both the audio and video to fit on it. To get the highest image quality on a DVD conversion, you'd have to keep the length below an hour and massively compress the audio using lossy compression.
It's a bit like aurguing that MP3 is sufficient for old analogue 1/4 inch recordings, despite the fact the format removes atleast half the data present in the original recording. Play any DVDs that have say 3 hours of footage on it, of old TV programmes that were so called "standard defition" on a large plasma TV and, unless you're blind, you will see a lot of digital pixellation.

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Posted: 24 Dec 11, 16:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This concert will never be released on Bluray because it was NOT shot on film, it was professionally shot on 2 inch Quadruplex PAL videotape like Rainbow (Nov 74'), Hammersmith 75' and the later Earl's Court shows. The only exception is some aerial shots of the crowd from a helicopter which were shot on film.

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Posted: 24 Dec 11, 20:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indo77 wrote: This concert will never be released on Bluray because it was NOT shot on film, it was professionally shot on 2 inch Quadruplex PAL videotape like Rainbow (Nov 74'), Hammersmith 75' and the later Earl's Court shows. The only exception is some aerial shots of the crowd from a helicopter which were shot on film.
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It doesn't have to be shot on film for it to be released on Bluray.
Bluray is a archival medium, not a 'format'.
There's absolutely NO problem in having a standard definition interlaced video picture on a Bluray disc.
They can, at the very least,  use a high bitrate mpeg2 and keep the resolution at the original 625 lines instead of the 540 lines that DVDs tend to have.

QPL have already proved they can release interlaced video material with the Day Of Our Lives Bluray release...

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Posted: 24 Dec 11, 23:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indo77 wrote: This concert will never be released on Bluray because it was NOT shot on film, it was professionally shot on 2 inch Quadruplex PAL videotape like Rainbow (Nov 74'), Hammersmith 75' and the later Earl's Court shows. The only exception is some aerial shots of the crowd from a helicopter which were shot on film.
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i know from a good source that the gig was shot on 16 mm... anyway 2 inch is a VERY good format and as Brianwig says Blu-ray is a "storage" format...


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Posted: 25 Dec 11, 03:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If your source is talking about footage of the concert we have not seen then possibly it may have been shot on 16mm but the footage we are all familar with was 100% shot on videotape. This is clearly obvious to anyone. You can even see the monster quad broadcast cameras taping the show. I really can't believe I am even having this debate...

As for being released on Bluray then yes SD can be released on bluray and upscaled but what's the point? The Wembly was simply released on DVD.

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Posted: 25 Dec 11, 04:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

1. The fact that some sources claim that the footage exists IN THE ARCHIVES in 16mm says nothing about the fact how was it filmed - Rainbow was also filmed on 2" tape and transferred to 16mm film for theatrical broadcasts, the same goes for the classic Doctor Who if I remember correctly.
2. The whole footage looks like VIDEO not FILM. It's in wonderful quality but still it looks like video
3. The 2" tape has 625 lines of resolution (for PAL), PAL DVD has 576 lines, NTSC DVD has 480 lines.
4. As the last BluRay has shown, upscaling techniques are getting better and better, so a BluRay release could actually look pretty good. Upscaled, but good. And since the DVD allows you only 10.8MBps bitrate for all streams, BR could have this encoded with much better bitrate

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Posted: 26 Dec 11, 13:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indo77 wrote: As for being released on Bluray then yes SD can be released on bluray and upscaled but what's the point? The Wembly was simply released on DVD.

No, who mentioned "upscaling"? It's purely a matter of not compressing analogue data to what is essentially MP3 of the video world.  Commercial DVDs do not offer digital resolution that accurately captures quality analogue video -0 something most people don't seem to be able to understand.

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Posted: 26 Dec 11, 13:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And has been mentioned above - blu ray is just a storage medium - with a greatly expanded storage capacity. If you think DVDs with 2-3 hours of footage on it accurately reproduce the original source material - you are wrong.

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Posted: 26 Dec 11, 18:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote: 1. The fact that some sources claim that the footage exists IN THE ARCHIVES in 16mm says nothing about the fact how was it filmed - Rainbow was also filmed on 2" tape and transferred to 16mm film for theatrical broadcasts, the same goes for the classic Doctor Who if I remember correctly.
2. The whole footage looks like VIDEO not FILM. It's in wonderful quality but still it looks like video
3. The 2" tape has 625 lines of resolution (for PAL), PAL DVD has 576 lines, NTSC DVD has 480 lines.
4. As the last BluRay has shown, upscaling techniques are getting better and better, so a BluRay release could actually look pretty good. Upscaled, but good. And since the DVD allows you only 10.8MBps bitrate for all streams, BR could have this encoded with much better bitrate
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Your first point is very reasonable... then i think rainbow was filmed on 2" tape and LATER transferred to 35 mm for cinemas! (that´s why we always thought it has been shot on 35 mm)


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Posted: 28 Dec 11, 07:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The BBC had a habit of wiping videotape in order to reuse it again. At that time they did not envisage that shows potentially would be released on formats such as VHS and DVD. It's amazing what they were able to restore from old kinescope film.