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Posted: 08 Jan 12, 11:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've been meaning to ask this for awhile, but finally got around to doing so - In March of the Black Queen, the line "Little nigger sugar then a rub-a-dub-a baby oil" What's up with the 'nigger'?

Was the band, or Freddie in particular racist? Surely during the mid 70's he could have chose a better word...

Did any one not try to stop him? I feel like he could of conveyed his message just the same with another word, but he still stuck with it.

Interesting.

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Posted: 08 Jan 12, 13:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe Fred was a Liverpool FC fan.


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Posted: 08 Jan 12, 13:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie was definitely a racist. He hated all foreigners with a passion, especially Africans from Nigeria, Ghana and Zanzibar.

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Posted: 08 Jan 12, 14:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLIkM4wvcC8

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Posted: 08 Jan 12, 16:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wow, you actually think a message was supposed to be conveyed! lol


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Posted: 08 Jan 12, 17:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asf4InKVo8k

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Posted: 08 Jan 12, 18:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for the links guys!I rest my case.

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Posted: 09 Jan 12, 07:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A little note : "nigger" is just a word. Using it doesn't make you a racist, only your actions can do it.

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Posted: 09 Jan 12, 09:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

1. sugar nigger

One who panders and caters to the needs of others, at great expense of one's self with the sole motive of becoming accepted by said others; a kiss ass.
Enunciated in a bold and ostentatious manner, much lick Chuck Norris would talk down to to Wesley Willis while whooping a snow leopards ass.

"Paul, why are you watching Phantom of the Opera with your new bitch? You're such a Sugar Nigger!"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sugar%20nigger


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Posted: 10 Jan 12, 08:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But the words are the other way round in the lyric...

I can only assume he means "brown sugar", perhaps?

Anyway, regardless, Freddie is clearly a massive racist. Boom.

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Posted: 11 Jan 12, 05:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pittrek wrote: "A little note : "nigger" is just a word. Using it doesn't make you a racist, only your actions can do it."

The N word has a horrible history and is one of the most disgusting words in the English language. To say that it is 'just' a word ignores that language can, and does, do real damage. That old saying 'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me' is nonsense. Words can inflict massive damage; not only can they lead to violence, but the words themselves can impart tremendous emotional damage.

I don't believe that Freddie was racist, however if the song had been written 20 years later, I'm not sure if he would have used that term.

Still, you say that only actions can make you a racist, which I disagree with BTW. However knowing that the word is infamous for its hatred and history, why isn't calling a black person that word racist? As far as I'm concerned, the only people who have a right to use that word are black, and anybody else who do so, knowing its meaning, can absolutely be called racist. Ultimately, though, I think to say that it's 'just' a word is not a sentiment that many black people would share.

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Posted: 11 Jan 12, 12:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Who really cares.

The world wasn't so politically correct back then as it is today.

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Posted: 11 Jan 12, 21:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like how half of the replies are totally nonsense, and add nothing to the topic.

I know many, many people have used the word before, like I said I was just curious why he stuck with the word, when he could of structurally fit in many other words.

Dane, I didn't mean it as if Freddie was trying to convey the most intricate message any one has ever conceived, I just meant structurally, visually, etc.

And fireplace... It looks as if you think I'm acting like Freddie was the only person to ever say nigger in music..... If you really thought I needed to be proved via links to other people using the word then I don't even know how to seriously reply to you.

And M Train, I could say the same to your reply: "Who really cares" :-)

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Posted: 12 Jan 12, 11:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

N0_Camping4U wrote:
I like how half of the replies are totally nonsense, and add nothing to the topic.
I know many, many people have used the word before, like I said I was just curious why he stuck with the word, when he could of structurally fit in many other words.
Dane, I didn't mean it as if Freddie was trying to convey the most intricate message any one has ever conceived, I just meant structurally, visually, etc.
And fireplace... It looks as if you think I'm acting like Freddie was the only person to ever say nigger in music..... If you really thought I needed to be proved via links to other people using the word then I don't even know how to seriously reply to you.
And M Train, I could say the same to your reply: "Who really cares" :-)
If you don't care - Don't reply!

I have no idea what you're talking about and where I'm supposed to have posted any links. It appears you don't take the trouble to read answers to your posts carefully, but DO like to tell people off afterwards. So here's a hearty SCREW YOU!

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Posted: 12 Jan 12, 13:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, I'll try to be on topic. There is way too much of a big deal made over that word today. {Just like this post}

The only thing I can say about Freddie is that the world wasn't so politically correct back then when he wrote the song.

And, I'm glad he stuck to his guns, and DIDN'T change the words to the song after it became politically incorrect to use the word NIGGER.

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Posted: 13 Jan 12, 08:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Words mean only what you want/let them to mean.
This, unfortunalty, only works if everyone agrees.
But it's true nonetheless.

It's a bit like money. It's only worth something because we all agreed it would.


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Posted: 13 Jan 12, 08:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fireplace wrote:
N0_Camping4U wrote:
I like how half of the replies are totally nonsense, and add nothing to the topic.
I know many, many people have used the word before, like I said I was just curious why he stuck with the word, when he could of structurally fit in many other words.
Dane, I didn't mean it as if Freddie was trying to convey the most intricate message any one has ever conceived, I just meant structurally, visually, etc.
And fireplace... It looks as if you think I'm acting like Freddie was the only person to ever say nigger in music..... If you really thought I needed to be proved via links to other people using the word then I don't even know how to seriously reply to you.
And M Train, I could say the same to your reply: "Who really cares" :-)
If you don't care - Don't reply!

I have no idea what you're talking about and where I'm supposed to have posted any links. It appears you don't take the trouble to read answers to your posts carefully, but DO like to tell people off afterwards. So here's a hearty SCREW YOU!




Annnnnnd now you're mad. Sorry I don't serious reply back to children.



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Posted: 13 Jan 12, 10:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Annnnnnd now you're mad. Sorry I don't serious reply back to children.


So you're a troll. Thought as much when you started this topic.

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Posted: 13 Jan 12, 12:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

M-train wrote: "Well, I'll try to be on topic. There is way too much of a big deal made over that word today. {Just like this post}
The only thing I can say about Freddie is that the world wasn't so politically correct back then when he wrote the song.
And, I'm glad he stuck to his guns, and DIDN'T change the words to the song after it became politically incorrect to use the word NIGGER."

Wow, you're so courageous. Do you not realize that the word is one that filled with hatred and has a horrible history? It has nothing to do with political correctness, it is about being sensitive and being aware that it might not a great idea to use racist terms.

During the 70's, Freddie mightn't have been aware of the history and notoriety of the word, but do you really think that if he had written the song 20 or 25 years later, he would have used the term? I doubt it. As for changing the words, of course he didn't. Why would he? That is silly. However, regardless of what Freddie would have done or what he thought, don't pretend that he has the same views on race that you obviously have.

Finally, to use the word political correctness and to say that 'There is way too much of a big deal made over that word today' indicates that you have no idea how horrible that word truly is. Plenty of black people, whose views on the word are more relevant than yours, could tell you how disgusting it is.

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Posted: 16 Jan 12, 12:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've been wanting to add a few thoughts here ...
1). Is that portion of the song a portrayal of the black queen's voice? After all he also wrote that she was vulgar, buse and vile. So he knew she was no fairy queen.

2) the pursuit of sugar for the upperclasses in history resulted in scores and scores of people being enslaved to work the sugar plantations - back breaking labor and high demand and greed. You can read more about this dark history on the Internet.

3) Freddie was a massive Jim Hendrix fan and painstakingly produced a portrait of his idol for his wall and I saw it at the Queen exhibition. It's well known that that he and some of the others would go night after night to admire his playing and show.

So I think you must consider all the dimensions of a person and also try to understand the entire context of the song and what is happening in the song. When I found out more about sugar and the slavery history associated to it, the innocent sweet stuff on my dinner table was suddenly not so innocent anymore. I find this particular period of history to be vulgar, buse and vile.


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