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Posted: 22 Feb 12, 06:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is it just me or has Roger completely lost the plot? Or perhaps he just has an overdeveloped sense of irony. I certainly wouldn't classify Queen as a cynical band.

Remember back in the 80s when Roger said in interviews that he was fiercely against music videos? "Video is detrimental to the music" was his exact quote. But then Queen sorta failed to practice what they preached and went on to make some of the best and most overindulgent videos from that decade. Whaaaaa?

And then how about Roger's stance on dance music? "Not my favorite thing" was his exact quote. Fine, Hot Space wasn't his idea, it was all Paul Prenter's fault. And of course, 'A Kind of Magic' was never meant to turn into a dance/pop tune. He blamed Freddie for that. But then consider the electrofied synthfunk of 'The Invisible Man'. What was your excuse then, Rog? Queen's drummer seemed to be incapable of gaining creative control over his own songs. But what was the silent rule? Something about 'the author usually had final control of his songs'. Who was the invisible force on the housed-up 'You Don't Fool Me'? Did Freddie's ghost creep back into the studios in Montreux and remix it? Then fast forward to 1998 with the release of Electric Fire, your own solo album for God's sake. There were more than a handful of songs on that that wouldn't sound too foreign on a dancefloor.

Away from music and onto political/social statements. How about the song 'C-Lebrity'? It was a vicious attack on kids who appeared on no-talent hack TV shows. It had bite! But then Roger goes out and creates his very own talent show?? Whaaaa?

Why is Roger forever putting his foot in his mouth? I don't understand the guy. His philosophies are commendable but his actions belie them.


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Posted: 22 Feb 12, 07:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Flash Danny Project wrote:
Is it just me or has Roger completely lost the plot? Or perhaps he just has an overdeveloped sense of irony. I certainly wouldn't classify Queen as a cynical band.
Remember back in the 80s when Roger said in interviews that he was fiercely against music videos? "Video is detrimental to the music" was his exact quote. But then Queen sorta failed to practice what they preached and went on to make some of the best and most overindulgent videos from that decade. Whaaaaa?
And then how about Roger's stance on dance music? "Not my favorite thing" was his exact quote. Fine, Hot Space wasn't his idea, it was all Paul Prenter's fault. And of course, 'A Kind of Magic' was never meant to turn into a dance/pop tune. He blamed Freddie for that. But then consider the electrofied synthfunk of 'The Invisible Man'. What was your excuse then, Rog? Queen's drummer seemed to be incapable of gaining creative control over his own songs. But what was the silent rule? Something about 'the author usually had final control of his songs'. Who was the invisible force on the housed-up 'You Don't Fool Me'? Did Freddie's ghost creep back into the studios in Montreux and remix it? Then fast forward to 1998 with the release of Electric Fire, your own solo album for God's sake. There were more than a handful of songs on that that wouldn't sound too foreign on a dancefloor.
Away from music and onto political/social statements. How about the song 'C-Lebrity'? It was a vicious attack on kids who appeared on no-talent hack TV shows. It had bite! But then Roger goes out and creates his very own talent show?? Whaaaa?
Why is Roger forever putting his foot in his mouth? I don't understand the guy. His philosophies are commendable but his actions belie them.


Yeah, Rog Has even said that he hated the whole "Manufactured" Act thing, saying many a good band dosen't get a "look in" because of the likes of "Simon Cowell" It's even a major plot device in Queen's own musical, so why then did, Queen, appear on "American Idol, Canadian Idol & X factor"? & even have performed with "Five, Will Young & Adam Lambert?" & as you have said, Roger's whole "Queen Extrazganza" thing is to create a manufactured band? Hmmmm?????


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Posted: 22 Feb 12, 09:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

integrity is something you lose with age it seems

c-lebrity is a great track for lyrical content alone.
too bad he has shot himself in the foot again and again after that..

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Posted: 22 Feb 12, 10:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

When I saw the topic title, for some reason I thought you were asking about that weird facial tic he has where he stops talking and seems to be encountering some kind of severe stomach complaint.

As to the post itself
- I thought it was Dave Richards who was largely responsible for You Don't Fool Me??
- He might've sold out a bit on his music video stance, but to be fair he's usually the one who looks least impressed to be there (or, counter-intuitively, the one who's trying hardest to cover for it).


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Posted: 22 Feb 12, 11:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thumbs up there Zebonka! But I also believe, despite that Roger is taking the piss on the whole x-factor or whatever hits the telly shite, or concept. Roger is in my believes the only Queen member who stand closest to his believes, okay with a minor hick up with the xtravaganza.....

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Posted: 22 Feb 12, 12:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Integrity is very commendable and all that but it will never get in the way if there is money to be made....!

Goes for all of Queen (apart from John, and Freddie, so just Brian and Roger actually)

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Posted: 22 Feb 12, 12:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Come on folks, you are going to use a quote of more than 30 years ago against him?

How ridiculous!


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Posted: 22 Feb 12, 13:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've always wondered about his view on AOBTD, he didn't like the disco theme. Erm, Fun It anyone?

He said something about his dislike of musicals in a WWRY press release, something like "fucking hating the sound of music cause everyone breaks into song together". You've obviously not seen your own musical then Rog.

I used to think he was just pushed into doing shit by Professor Perm but I'm not too sure these days.


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Posted: 22 Feb 12, 17:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

K seriously. Roger said that sometimes the video thing doesn't work well with what was meant to be in the song. But duh!!! He knew it was part of the business. I don't know anyone in any business that doesn't have to do something they don't like.
Have you ever changed your mind about anything? Roger is not some politician that should have some quote from a 30 year old interview used against him. How stupid.

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Posted: 23 Feb 12, 02:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He has 4 ex-wives, one current wife and an average of 6 mistresses. They all have platinum cards.

Integrity doesn't pay the bills.

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Posted: 23 Feb 12, 02:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Roger has only been married once before his current wife

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Posted: 23 Feb 12, 06:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roger is winning!



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Posted: 23 Feb 12, 13:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zebonka12 wrote:
When I saw the topic title, for some reason I thought you were asking about that weird facial tic he has where he stops talking and seems to be encountering some kind of severe stomach complaint.

HILARIOUS...



I've got no room to call him senile... dunno any real issues other than the suggested bad judgement


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Posted: 23 Feb 12, 16:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, Roger didn't like music videos. If you look back at most of them he looked very unhappy and seemed to be bored out of his mind. But he isn't the only one in the group who has a say on what the band does and Freddie was very controlling. Also, it almost permitted for a band to produce a music video along with a popular single (especially in the 80's with MTV starting). If not, it risked the the entire song falling flat.

Yes, Roger also wasn't a fan of dance music either. And yes Hot Space wasn't his fault and neither was AKOM (though I disagree on it sounding like a dance/pop album). But Invisible Man, in my opinion, sounds the least bit like a funk/dance tune. It has electric sort of beat to it (synthesizers and such) but the song is very Rock n Roll, IMO.

The whole "You Don't Fool Me" argument falls flat because Roger nor Brian had anything to do with the song. The track was constructed entirely of older recordings and was put together by David Richards (Queen's producer).

When it comes down to it, this is stuff Mr. Taylor said over 20 years ago. Anybodies opinion can change. But if your talking about Roger going senile, well... It is about time for the man to start coming down with alzheimers... He is kind of old...

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Posted: 23 Feb 12, 16:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

being a little bit controversial and contradictory does not equate to senility....in my book it's fairly typical of most rock n roll stars...especially stars who wish to maintain or re-raise a profile
that make sit acceptable, as it goes with the territory


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Posted: 23 Feb 12, 17:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He also wrote "Dear Mr Murdoch" then happily allowed The Sun (one of Murdoch's papers) to give away free We Will Rock You CDs so while publicising the musical also boosting Murdoch's The Sun circulation.

Total fuckin hypocrite.


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Posted: 23 Feb 12, 23:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He's simply a rich, bloated jackass and has always been the weakest link anyway. I can barely listen to most of his "Queen" songs

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Posted: 23 Feb 12, 23:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Not senile... It's not all that surprising that over 30 years his opinion's changed. Though there isn't any excuse for his conflicting opinions on musicals, american idol-esque shows etc.

Insulting his music and calling him the weakest link is hardly necessary though.

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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 03:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I suppose that youpeople never change your opinnions? :D

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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 09:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

To be fair, we have to appreciate not only the fact that people's opinions can change over a span of 30+ years, but also that technology has changed. In the early-mid 80s it was still somewhat possible to ignore the visual medium. Today, given the state of society and technology, that is nigh impossible. If Brian and Roger want their music to stay relevant with newer generations (as I am sure they do - not to mention to keep those royalties coming in) they cannot but pander to the masses through new media.

And to be further fair, the extravaganza WAS about talent, giving talented musicians an outlet rather than serving as a platform for famewhores.