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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 15:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Everyone,

This is not really an announce for a new concert or something.
Now you think, why posting this in the Announce forum of Queenzone ?

Please let me first explain some thoughts of me.

As you all know, megaupload is not available since last month.
Because of this lost, I can tell you, more than 80% of all 1-click hosting links was offline here on queenzone.
I thought... Time to do something back for the Queenzone-community: Let's bring all links back online.
I started with re-posting of the 1973 files on multiupload, but when I reached the year 1976, also multiupload has stopped their upload-services.
I was looking for some alternates and found www.upload-mirrors.com. Until the year 1979 I have posted on this "multi-upload alternative". Because of stability problems of this site, I have searched again for an alternative and found embedupload.com. I reposted all the links again to this service.

When I look back to this "re-upload project" I have to tell that it is an immense job to repost all links.
Also annoying are all replies (is it spamming ???) on the board to make the new links public.

I have good feelings with organising and handle with huge amounts of data (people from the queenhub know this because of my total queenshare of about 2.5 TB) !
Since approx 2 years I'm sharing in the queenhub all concerts which are mentioned on the download section from www.Queenconcerts.com (almost all links on the downloadsection from Queenconcerts.com are pointing to the direct links here on Queenzone).

Last year I have lost one of my HD's with all those concerts on it (and no physical backup ofcourse !!).
I was really happy that with the help of people in the Queenhub, 1-click hosting links on Queenzone and the torrent archive on Queenzone, I could rebuild this huge collection for more than 95% !

To protect this collection again I can do two things:
- buy another HD with a backup of all those files (but in case of for example a fire, I loose again everything.....nok nok nok hope it will never happen !!!!)
- Transfer a copy of all files to a trustable 1-click hosting service.

From all 1-click hosting services, there were only two more or less trustable services available:
- Rapidshare.com (but because of their policy it's not really an option)
- Mediafire.com

I'm really amazed that shares on mediafire are still available, many years after their original upload.
Other plusses are:
- sharing collections with just one link.
- organizing folders on year, venue and different sources is perfect.
- no limits on quantity of shared files.

Minus point is:
- the bad upload-speed and 200 MB limit.


I have personally choosen for the mediafire option.
Plus-points:
- I have a secure backup on-line.
- Relative good policy of Mediafire.
- I can help other people too infact that they loose their files for some reason.
- I receive a mail from mediafire before my links will be deleted (so I can download them again, or reupload them again)
- When the embedupload, multiupload or uploadmirror-links are gone (soon or later) I have a backup on mediafire, also for the torrent-files !!

min-points:
- Really a huge work again to organise things
- From time to time I have to download all those files again so they keep online.

solutions for the minus-points:
The huge amount of work: no problem for me.
the bad upload-speed: I'm using Neembu Uploader, which let me upload all files in batch form (so I fill the queue and go to work and when returning home, all files are uploaded)
- From time to time downloading all files: entering the big general share link to all concerts into for example a batch download program called Mipony generates a new download for each single file (the counter before files will be deleted from the mediafire server is reset!!)


I see this online collection as an online-archive of Queen(related)-concerts.
I do this for personal use.
I share it, so other people can use it too.

My question to you all: is there a problem with direct linking to download-links without using a topic on Queenzone ?
For example: there is shared a new concert (or a remastered or upgraded one) on Queenzone (torrent and/or 1-click hosting).
Is there a problem when I download this concert (ofcourse after adding a "thank you" on that specific queenzone-topic) and adding it to the online mediafire database, so other people can download it also there ?
The best is that queenfan download the files from the original topic, so I don't want to "promote" my way of sharing files on mediafire !!!
I want just to add these files to the mediafire-database.

I have plans (not done yet) to add also a direct queenzone-topic-link "file" in the specific share-folder on mediafire, so people can be linked directly to the queenzone-topic.

To give you an idea of my (personal) plans, I share here already the concerts of 1973: http://www.mediafire.com/?2h46i61a4vhob
If there are problems with sharing this link, please let me know !!
I have used the names before the links on queenconcerts.com (downloadsection)
As extra I have added to each download link the exacte date when the concert was done (to make it more traceball to which date each link belongs)
When there is mentioned Audio 1 or Audio 2 for example, I'm pointing to the order on the download section of Queenconcerts.com !


Ofcourse I keep sharing also all torrent files, which has the future in my opinion !!

It's a huge story, so please let me know your thoughts about it !!!!

Best regards,


Bokkepoot

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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 16:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think this is a fantastic idea though I feel that some long time collectors won't be much appreciated about it as this will be a database where young fans can download within a few days what others have collected and traded over the last 40 years. This could cause some distrust I regret.

I AM one of the younger fans - well I've been collecting since 1988 - for many years I concentrated on autographs, I've worked on collecting bootlegs over the few last years. I don't see any problems in putting the files that have been shared here in announce links into this database as it will be a backup for ALL collectors. If re-uploaded with credits to the original uploader/remasterer or what else this should not cause any problems and make it more cleraly arranged than what we have so far.

One question remains: why should mediafire be more secure than megaupload. What makes us confident that mediafire won't be closed one day as this happend to megaupload?

To make it most complete and unique this database should also contain some more features or files within the folders like credits to the original uploader/taper/lineage, whereever possible a folder with availabe artwork (by Ale Solan/Uxbride/Wardour...) and links to the Bob's website to get the best possible information about the concerts and its lineage.

I can't upload any new concerts as most of my collection comes from QZ - thanks to nice people here (which are some hundrets of concerts). I have a very slow internet connection but I would love to help you with this project in any way I can.

Hope you succeed with this idea and the other members here will give you the support and encouragemet you need.

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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 17:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great initiative !

Mediafire seems to be stable for now, but who knows how long that will last. Therefore the answer is torrents.

Even if the original share is on mediafire, embedupload or wherever, someone can always do a torrent as well. Torrents are peer-to-peer, so as long as Queenzone exists, this is a viable solution.

Relying on any website to maintain download links is not the smartest solution. Marco, you put in so much work last month, and most of those links are dead now. So, having either a good search function or an index with links to all the best versions (like at Queenconcerts.com) in torrent form is the way to go.

The megatorrent idea was good on the surface, but mistakes and omissions can easily happen when 50 recordings are done at once. It's best to do recordings one at a time, so quality control can be maintained.

And if some people can't do torrents, then they either have to learn how to use them or rely on the few direct download links that still work. It seems they will always be inconsistent.


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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 17:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

thefallenqueen wrote:
I think this is a fantastic idea though I feel that some long time collectors won't be much appreciated about it as this will be a database where young fans can download within a few days what others have collected and traded over the last 40 years. This could cause some distrust I regret.

Perhaps, but if it's just a compilation of things that have already been done here, it'd just be a matter of convenience.

But from a technological standpoint, you've made a good observation.

A couple decades ago, it was all snail mail. You exchanged trading lists with people, relied on their quality ratings, and sent tapes or CDRs through the post. A decade ago the process improved - you could send samples via email before making a deal.

Nowadays everything is download links and instant gratification. It's convenient, but the joy of waiting for a couple weeks for a package in the mail and repeating the process for years to come is all but lost now.


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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 17:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for your thoughts the fallenqueen !!

I agree with your feelings in the first line of your reply, that's why I have announced this topic.

It is ofcourse possible to created to each share a kind of "thank you to...." text-file which also contains the direct queenzone-link in it to make things more comfortable for the long time collectors and to thank them for their hard work all those years. Any thoughts about this ?

Mediafire is not more secure than megaupload.
Also are all the torrent's not more secure.
For example: here in Holland is closed today the bittorrent-network on the university of Groningen.
All kind of "organisations which are representing the music, movie and software industry" are processing against all kind of sharing services.
I don't want to be negative, but (for example)it can be a thought that the (dutch)court can forbid the complete torrent network.

Adding all kind of artworks, and specific links to Bob's website can be done in a later stadium.

My personal priority is to get all the links online and after that me or maybe other people who are more into the Artwork, can do some work ????

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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 17:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Real Wizard wrote:
thefallenqueen wrote:
I think this is a fantastic idea though I feel that some long time collectors won't be much appreciated about it as this will be a database where young fans can download within a few days what others have collected and traded over the last 40 years. This could cause some distrust I regret.

Perhaps, but it's just a sign of the times.
A couple decades ago, it was all snail mail. You exchanged trading lists with people, relied on their quality ratings, and sent tapes or CDRs through the post. A decade ago the process improved - you could send samples via email before making a deal.
Nowadays everything is download links and instant gratification. It's convenient, but the joy of waiting for a couple weeks for a package in the mail and repeating the process for years to come is all but lost now.



Yes, I remember this feeling. Waiting for many months before a copy of a tape was available.
These days, people are requesting for shows which were performed yesterday !!!

The new sharing idea works not faster than what is happening these days on queenzone !

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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 17:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

bokkepoot wrote:
It is ofcourse possible to created to each share a kind of "thank you to...." text-file which also contains the direct queenzone-link in it to make things more comfortable for the long time collectors and to thank them for their hard work all those years.

It's customary for the sharer to create an info.txt, just so there is a hard copy of the info that differentiates their version of a recording from others that may be floating around. But if they didn't do that, then it's always easy to copy/paste the info from the original thread.

That said, naming names isn't such a big deal. After all, we don't share recordings for the accolades. We just want the music to be spread for everyone to enjoy. But if someone is really keen on having their name attached to a recording, they'll be sure to include that info in the info.txt file.


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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 17:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Real Wizard wrote:
Great initiative !
Mediafire seems to be stable for now, but who knows how long that will last. Therefore the answer is torrents.
Even if the original share is on mediafire, embedupload or wherever, someone can always do a torrent as well. Torrents are peer-to-peer, so as long as Queenzone exists, this is a viable solution.
Relying on any website to maintain download links is not the smartest solution. Marco, you put in so much work last month, and most of those links are dead now. So, having either a good search function or an index with links to all the best versions (like at Queenconcerts.com) in torrent form is the way to go.
The megatorrent idea was good on the surface, but mistakes and omissions can easily happen when 50 recordings are done at once. It's best to do recordings one at a time, so quality control can be maintained.
And if some people can't do torrents, then they either have to learn how to use them or rely on the few direct download links that still work. It seems they will always be inconsistent.


Lot's of gaps are still missing in sharing torrents.
Next thing after this project is to make new torrents for the concerts which are only available in "1-click-hosting" format.

I have learned a lot from the "megatorrent-shares"
This is not the right way to share things.
It's better to focus on single concerts and try to keep the torrents alive.

I'm running now approx 700 Queenzone-torrents in utorrent and sometimes my router gives some problems with the quantity of connections (which results in very long waiting times before I can connect to a website (my connection-speed is controlled by netlimiter, so my internet-speed is okay).



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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 17:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Real Wizard wrote:
bokkepoot wrote:
It is ofcourse possible to created to each share a kind of "thank you to...." text-file which also contains the direct queenzone-link in it to make things more comfortable for the long time collectors and to thank them for their hard work all those years.

But if someone is really keen on having their name attached to a recording, they'll be sure to include that info in the info.txt file.


I agree with that.
I haven't changed anything on the content of an earlier posted share, so all info, added artwork and way of naming the audio-files is the same. Only change is the rar-file packaging because of the 200 MB limit from mediafire and to make the way of packaging uniform (with the date in front, followed by the name, mentioned on the downloadsection on queenconcerts.com)

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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 17:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Let's just hope there's wide interest in this.

If only a few people say they're interested, then we just have to wonder if it's worth the effort.

This is going to be a lot of work !


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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 18:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



The Real Wizard wrote: Let's just hope there's wide interest in this.

If only a few people say they're interested, then we just have to wonder if it's worth the effort.

This is going to be a lot of work !

I second that... the project is more than intresting but it represent a LOT of work


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Posted: 24 Feb 12, 23:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bless you bokkepoot.


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Posted: 25 Feb 12, 01:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I received the following mail by mediafire today. So I agree that torrents are the best solution. Thanks to queenzone and the kind sharers I have a huge collection and I would really like to contribute to this project.

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The file Queen Boston 76.part4.rar identified by the key (izy25di2jl5) has been deleted by MediaFire support.

The reason for deletion was:

Ref: C177422-C177429 Re: (Links attached) Dear Sir/Madam, I am contacting you on behalf of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) and the record companies it represents. The IFPI is a trade association that represents over 1,400 major and independent record companies in the US and internationally who create, manufacture and distribute sound recordings (the "IFPI Represented Companies"). Under penalty of perjury, we submit that we are authorized to act on behalf of the IFPI Represented Companies in matters involving the infringement of their sound recordings, including enforcing their copyrights and common law rights on the Internet. We have learned that your service is hosting the above web pages on your network. These web pages are offering direct links to files for other users to download containing sound recordings by the artists RIHANNA, ROMEO SANTOS, SNOOP DOGGY DOGG, WIZ KHALIFA & SADE. The copyright in these sound recordings is owned or exclusively controlled by certain IFPI Represented Companies. We have a good faith belief that the above-described activity is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. We assert that the information in this notification is accurate, based upon the data available to us. We are asking for your immediate assistance in stopping this unauthorized activity. Specifically, we request that you remove the infringing links from your system or that you disable access to the infringing links, and that you inform the site operator(s) of the illegality of his or her conduct. Our top priority is to prevent the continued availability of the IFPI Represented Companies' content on the internet. Unauthorized copies of sound recordings that are freely available, especially pre-release recordings, cause substantial damage to the IFPI Represented Companies every hour and day they remain available. In sending this notice we are seeking to ensure that infringing content is removed from the internet as quickly as possible through your cooperation. However, please note that we do not admit that we or the IFPI Represented Companies are responsible for detecting infringing material and notifying you of it. Our use of a notice in this form, as required by you, is meant to facilitate your removal of the infringing material listed above and we neither admit nor accept that you are a 'service provider' for the purposes of the DMCA or that it is necessary to serve, or that you are entitled to be served, a notice in compliance with the DMCA. IFPI itself and on behalf of the IFPI Represented Companies expressly reserves all rights in this regard. In addition, this notice does not constitute a waiver of any right to recover damages incurred by virtue of any unauthorised activities described in this notice, and such rights as well as claims for other relief are hereby expressly reserved. You may contact me at IFPI Secretariat, 10 Piccadilly, London W1J 0DD, United Kingdom or email Notices@ifpi.org, to discuss this notice. We await your response. Yours faithfully Jeremy Banks Director, Internet Anti-Piracy IFPI 10 Piccadilly London W1J 0DD United Kingdom Email: Notices@ifpi.org

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Posted: 25 Feb 12, 01:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey that's a excellent idea but a lot of work. Great you take this iiniative.

I had some thoughts about changing the announce section . A build up as a concert per topic and in the topic all the different sources of that specific show are availible.
This is a lot more user friendly.


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Posted: 25 Feb 12, 02:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

About the copyright mail from mediafire.
Let's hope it will be only a few mails to specific parts of the database (they can be easy re-uploaded with a small change in the name).

I think it a plus to upload them something like: "1986-06-21 Audio (Done Under Pressure).part1.rar".
There is for search robots etc, no reason to mark this file as "having copyright-content".
Let's see how things will develop in the future.

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Posted: 25 Feb 12, 02:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I got somre more thoughts...

The real wizard wrote:

That said, naming names isn't such a big deal. After all, we don't share recordings for the accolades. We just want the music to be spread for everyone to enjoy. But if someone is really keen on having their name attached to a recording, they'll be sure to include that info in the info.txt file.

That's right but I think it makes collecting a little better arranged if you have the names attached to see on the first view which recordings you have without checking the lineage, but it's only my way to optimise the organisation of MY collection, maybe not helpfull for everyone.

I do have a strong fear that mediafire as well as rapidshare and other services will be closed soon or even files with references to specific artists will be deleted as seen in the mail posting above. I suppose that megaupload was just the stumbling block, music industry will react: for example if like the Live Killers you download Frankfurt, Collogne or Berlin instead - they are much more authentic, if you like Wembley why not take Mannheim in equal quality for free? Queen is only the tip of the iceberg as the internet is full of boolegs from all kinds of artists. Even therefore a change in copyright laws is imaginable.

Torrents could be the answer to the questions but to be honest they are not that easy to handle as one klick links. I'm not a dumb cluck but still have problems how to re-seed for example. I tried to create torrents - not only on QZ - that do not work for some reason. Mediafire provides a file manager - how do you want to arrange the torrents? What would be good on mediafire, it's only one account that means one moderator which does not lead to confusion and disorder but also means that all work is up to you - and if mediafire fails the whole project is down (again).

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Posted: 25 Feb 12, 02:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

b.t.w. torrents imply the meaning or impact of a community! The whole thing will work better as more and more users will get involved...

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Posted: 25 Feb 12, 06:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What about the audio section of the Internet Archive (http://www.archive.org/details/etree). I don't think this will be out the air very soon.

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Posted: 25 Feb 12, 10:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MadTheSwine73 wrote:
Bless you bokkepoot.



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Posted: 25 Feb 12, 10:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A great idea, I am willing to collaborate!!