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Posted: 13 May 12, 11:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Does anyone know where the photo used for the inner sleeve of the Jazz album was taken and are those guitars all owned by the band?
It might be Super Bear studios but I find no pictures of that studio that match.
Maybe it Wessex Sound Studio?

As for the guitars I see the many owned by Queen but also a Danelectro and what might be an Alembic guitar or Carvin?

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Posted: 13 May 12, 11:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's from 'Mountain Studios' Montreux I think.


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Posted: 13 May 12, 12:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yep

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Posted: 13 May 12, 15:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Its a good photo for sure.How many of you guys still have the colour bicycle race poster included with Jazz? Mine went on my bedroom wall much to my mums disgust!

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Posted: 13 May 12, 15:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've tried to find an image of it, scanning it in doesn't look as good :/ It's one of my favourite Queen pics

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Posted: 13 May 12, 15:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Danelectro is Brian's, the other guitar is a Kramer and I think (but am not sure) is Roger's.


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Posted: 13 May 12, 20:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is it Mountain Studios? I don't think so. It looks much bigger than what I remember in my visit to Montreux years ago.

I'm pretty sure it's Super Bear. I don't think any other studio was used for Jazz.

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Posted: 14 May 12, 02:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is Mountain, but I think the image is a composite, which may be the reason why the studio looks larger.


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Posted: 14 May 12, 04:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Not sure if it's a composite but Ratty took the photo and I saw another shot he had taken with all 4 members sitting on the drum platform from the same angle so he may have used a wider angled lens.

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Posted: 14 May 12, 07:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



It's no composit, it's a very wide angle lens. 
Although I do believe Brian is pasted into the picture.
And how can scanning the picture not look good? Unless you have trouble using the scanner properly.
(scan the image at 300dpi, then rescale to 96dpi.. cleans up perfectly!)


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Posted: 14 May 12, 09:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I mean, I want an image of the actual photo, not an image of a photo/scan of the photo as it's seen in the sleeve

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Posted: 14 May 12, 10:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nice scan. I have the album and have always loved this picture. And Brian does look pasted in.
So, why 2 drum sets? Who uses the Marshall head (center left)? Do the panels in the back look like the same ones at Wessex (http://www.philsbook.com/wessex-studio-1.html) or are these just really common.
Anyway, I've always wondered about this picture. And I do still have the poster from the LP!

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Posted: 14 May 12, 10:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks zadigadabop... this is a really interesting site:
http://www.philsbook.com/1.Buttons/studio-index.htm

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Posted: 15 May 12, 04:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, here is the story from the man who took the picture, Peter Hince:

The gatefold photo was taken in Montreux in Switzerland in Summer 78 during the making of the Jazz album.
The photo was set up - but all the instruments are Queen's own, including the Steinway grand piano - which we took out from England.

As we were going to be out of England for several months in Switzerland and France, we needed to be self sufficient as far as musical equipment and effects etc was concerned. There were very limited or no hire facilities at all.
So we took a 40 foot semi truck full of gear !

I hope that is helpful for you.

I talk about all of this in more detail in my book Queen Unseen.

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Posted: 15 May 12, 06:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As for why two different drum sets: Roger would often have loads of items both in the studio and touring, that way he could arrange his kit differently depending on the sound he wanted (or in the case of a recording, depending on the sound the creator of the song wanted). He would sometimes have, for instance, a Ludwig set with Slingerland snare and Pollard Syndrums, or a Premier snare, etc.

If you listen to the drum stems from Play the Game, Crazy Little Thing and Another One Bites the Dust, you'll notice those are 99% sure to be different drum kits for each song. Not just different EQ or miking, but different sets altogether.


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Posted: 15 May 12, 06:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Interesting, but I suspect the drums are simply different heads and tuning rather than completely different sets.

I would agree that the snare on Crazy is possibly a smaller model than his normal Lugwig 6 1/2" one but I suspect they were actually basically the same kit.

I own the same spec ludwig kit as Rogers standard kit and simply by changing the heads and re-tuning i would say it is possible to get all those tom and bass sounds from the same kit.
I have always really wanted to know which lits he used to record which albums but there is really no detail out there that can be considered accurate. certainly he used multiple drums and occassionaly a smaller bass drum here and there. The roll on Fat Bottomed Girls was almost certainly played on the kit over to the side in teh gatefold sleeve due to the number of toms in the fill. But I feel Jazz was one of the few times he actually set up two kits in the studio. However when recording was broken by months apart he may well have had other kits in different studios as needed.
If anyone has accurate info on what kit was used where I would love to see it.

But after nearly 40 years of playing drums I can say that with care a huge range of tones are available on a single kit if you know what you are doing and in a studio I am confident my kit would match all three of those tracks in terms of tone once they have been tuned/dampened/EQ'd etc

My guess is all were played on the Ludwig Black kit from 78-79


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Posted: 15 May 12, 08:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mountain studios had a small recording room (which is what you probably saw in the tour with David Richards) and a hall (which belonged to the casino - in the picture). The hall was used for 'Live' sound. Hope this helps.

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Posted: 15 May 12, 15:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Speaking about David Richards, the last time I read about him on this board, some claimed he was seriously ill and quite bitter about all things Queen. Has anyone got any news?

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Posted: 15 May 12, 15:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Further info on this from Queen Unseen by Ratty:

"For Jazz, we were lucky to have the use of The Salon, a vast sectioned-off area of the casino arena. (It can be seen in the gatefold photograph on the Jazz album.)"


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Posted: 21 May 12, 07:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As a curiosity, that same casino hall was the one where they recorded the backing tracks for both Innuendo and Was It All Worth It.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.