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Posted: 04 Aug 12, 19:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This was one of the most ambicious components of my late website, so it's time to try to resurrect it here.

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Late 1971 (possibly before winter): The five released demos + some unreleased things. Self-produced.

(ca.) April 1972 to (ca.) June 1973: Sessions for the first album, except TNCD. Produced by John Anthony & Roy Baker.

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Queen II:

4th to 6th August 1973: 16 takes of SSOR + 4 takes of FTS. Produced and engineered by Roy, with Nick Bradford as assistant.

Some point later on: Other songs produced by Roy, engineered by Mike and possibly featuring Neil Kernon as assistant.

Some point later on: Roy working with Gasolin' in Copenhagen, leaving Queen with Robin Cable.

Mix-down stage: Presumably with Roy.

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Sheer Heart Attack:

7th (possibly) to 28th July 1974: Preliminary recordings in Wales. They tracked Flick of the Wrist (including backing vocals), Happy Little Fuck (including vocals), You're Young and You're Crazy (no vocals), Banana Blues (no vocals), Lap of the Gods Part 2 and Stone Cold Crazy. Four of those songs most likely required Brian for the backing track, so he probably wasn't too ill at that point.

August 1974: A week of May-less recordings at Wessex Sound. Those may have included backing tracks for Killer Queen, Lily of the Valley, Lap of the Gods and Leroy Brown. A lot of time was spent on percussion overdubs - in fact, this was the band's album with the most percussion overdubs ever.

One week later: Overdubs at AIR Studio 4 (the control room, IIRC). Brian was there.

One week later: A second session at Wessex, this time with Brian. They probably recorded Dear Friends and She Makes Me at this point as well as having some bits redone with him (e.g. some, not all, of the harmonies on Killer Queen).

Final stage (September): Now I'm Here + mixing at Trident. The album was then sent to the Mastering Lab in Los Angeles.

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A Night at the Opera:

27th October 1974: God Save the Queen.

June 1975: KYA retake at SARM. The tape would still be owned by Trident and the mixed would be labelled on 2nd July.

Early-to-Mid August: Rehearsals at the Ridge Farm.

24th August: Sessions begin at Rockfield in South Wales. For this album, the band would use many studios simultaneously so it's really hard to establish a timeline. According to one of the many books on Freddie (I read it in Heathrow two weeks ago), Bo Rhap was already being mixed at SARM by the time of Freddie's birthday (which would debunk the whole 'three week' legend).

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A Day at the Races:

Sessions began in June (not July) somewhere in England.

Manor tapes dated July list six songs: Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy (same length as the album), Millionaire Waltz (ditto), You Take My Breath Away (N/A - by the way, that also debunks the myth that they hadn't recorded it by the time they played it at Hyde Park), Simple Man (slightly shorter - they possibly overdubbed the outro later), Drowse (slightly shorter as well - they possibly looped the intro for the outro later) and Somebody to Love (a minute and a half shorter - they probably added one or two sections later).

Roger was quoted on Music Life ('82 IIRC) that they'd started Teo Torriatte at The Manor as well... I don't know if it was a mistake on his part or if there were sessions later on (both strong possibilities).

London sessions were at SARM, Wessex and Advision. Those include overdubs for the seven aforementioned songs, plus the whole of You and I, Tie Your Mother Down, Long Away and the famous intro/outro. The STL video was at Wessex.

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News of the World:

July/August at Basing St, August/September at Wessex. Champions was part of the early bunch, Rock You the later one. All Dead ... possibly a bit of both.

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Jazz:

Sessions began in Montreux in July 1978 and lasted at least until Freddie's birthday (5th September). The Tour de France passed by Montreux on Brian's birthday (19th July), so they possibly recorded Bicycle Race in late July or early August, which means that's a Swiss song, not French.

Sessions finished in France in October, but they could've started at any point between early September and ... one or two weeks before the whole thing was put to bed. Apparently, DSMN is part of those later sessions.

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The Game:

If and I mean *IF* the accounts on CLTCL are true (it being recorded on the very first day of the sessions and Ratty having to take Freddie to Munich on the day of a Heathrow strike), then sessions began on 22nd June 1979 and lasted a couple of weeks which spawned CLTCL, Save Me, SASS and Coming Soon. Venue was Munich of course.

Then there was another two-week or three-week run between February and March during which they tracked the rest of the album and put down some ideas for Flash Gordon as well. There's nothing official on A Human Body. Beautiful Day apparently comes from April. Album mastered in NYC, possibly during the spring.

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Flash Gordon:

Early sessions (produced by Mack and the whole band, not just Brian) in Munich in February/March 1980. The album was NOT begun in 1979 despite numerous sources claiming that.

They'd apparently finished recording it by June, and they did so in London, using Advision, Town House and Music Centre. Orchestra bits recorded in July at Anvil in Denham. The band re-did some bits in October (and that's the part Brian produced) at Utopia.

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Hot Space:

Sessions began in June 1981 at Musicland and the first batch ended in July. What was done at that point? No idea. Possibly bits of Cool Cat?

August was basically a holiday for them, John staying in London and the other three going to America (Maylor to LA, Fred to NYC). It may have been during these days that Fred wrote Life Is Real.

Early September was at Mountain in Montreux. Songs begun there were Las Palabras de Amor, Calling All Girls, Put Out the Fire and Under Pressure. Note that, at that point, they weren't using drum machines yet.

At some point between 15th and 20th September: Freddie, Mack and Bowie finish the song in NYC.

21st September to 5th December: No recordings. Band travelling around Venezuela, America, Mexico, Canada and England.

6th to 21st December: Sessions in Munich. This was possibly the first time they used drum machines. Songs they may have begun in those days include Back Chat, Staying Power, Dancer, Action This Day, Life Is Real and Body Language.

18th to 22nd January: Sessions in Munich by John and Roger only.

23rd Janury to late February: Sessions by the four of them, plus mixing.

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Works:

August to October/November: Sessions in LA. They include preliminary works on Ga Ga, Break Free, Piece of My Heart and possibly many other things.

November 1983 to January 1984: Sessions in Munich, including World and the final vocal on Ga Ga, plus mixing.

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Magic:

August 1985: Sessions in Munich, produced by Mack. One Vision possibly stems for those days, as do other things. OV would be finished at Maison Rouge in London.

September 1985: Work on the Highlander OST begins at The Town House. It'd finish in January 1986. That includes nearly half of the album. David Richards produced those ones (partly). Fred not present in some of the October recordings as he was doing In My Defence and Time, partly in London, partly in Munich.

March 1986: Album finished. Presumably, they used several studios simultaneously: SARM, Maison Rouge, The Town House, Mountain, Musicland and Abbey Road. Possibly Milo as well.

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Miracle:

January 1988: All four in London (perhaps Town House, but it could've also been Olympic).

February: Three of them recording in London (Roger absent as he was touring).

March: No work on the album - John was in France, Brian in LA, Roger was


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 01:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can't verify any of that, but a great read. I've always been interested in the songs started and complete during different sessions - GSTQ for example and the age old questions of BR and SHA being started during earlier sessions.

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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 06:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wasn't it in Freestone his book that Fred was writing some words of Life is Real on a airline tissue writing down " cunt stains on my pillow" during a flight to NY ?

Always made me laugh cunt stains on my pillow ...

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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 11:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Years of meticulous research compiled into a single post. Well done, sir.


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 11:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would take this entire list with a very large pinch of salt.
There are to many possibly, perhaps and maybe's etc.

In order for this to be accurate the studio diaries from all the studios used would need to be looked at.

Sept to dec 1981 the band where traveling around America and England?!!! Really?


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 12:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

We may not have the studio diaries, but we do have someone like Sebastian who has spent a decade compiling information from interviews, articles and documentaries to paint an incomplete but still very detailed picture.

December 1981 - yes, the band returned to England. What else would they do at the end of a world tour?


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 13:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

>>> There are to many possibly, perhaps and maybe's etc.

That's why I'm only using dates and places where there's enough evidence.

>>> In order for this to be accurate the studio diaries from all the studios used would need to be looked at.

It already is accurate, even without studio diaries.

>> Sept to dec 1981 the band where traveling around America and England?!!! Really?

Not just America and England. Also Venezuela, Mexico and the Federal Republic of Germany.


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 13:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And Canada!


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 13:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The first post is great, but incomplete :-)

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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 14:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Where's Innuendo and the end of The Miracle? :-)


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 14:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen 1 - early 70's
Queen 2 - bit after that, bit before Sheer Heart Attack
SHA - After Queen 2, before the Works

etc..


mine is accurate too....

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Miracle:

January 1988: All four in London (perhaps Town House, but it could've also been Olympic).

February: Three of them recording in London (Roger absent as he was touring).

March: No work on the album - John was in France, Brian in LA, Roger was touring and Freddie was working on Barcelona (the album).

April: Three of them working on the album in Montreux (Roger still touring, though not all the month).

May: Roger, John and Brian working in Switzerland. Freddie was promoting Barcelona in ... well, Barcelona.

June: All four in Montreux.

July: Fred on holiday in Spain, John on holiday in France, Brian in LA (that's when he co-wrote TMLWKY), Roger recording with The Cross.

August: John in France and the rest working on off-Queen projects (Barcelona, Back to the Light and MBADTK).

September: All four recording The Miracle (then to be titled Invisible Men) in London.

October: Break from Queen - John in France, Fred in Spain, Brian working on his solo album and Roger working with his other band.

November: John, Freddie and Roger working on the Queen album, Brian working on his solo thing.

December: Holidays for all.

January & February 1989: All four in London (Olympic, I think) finishing the album and mixing it.

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Innuendo

November 1989: Work on the album begins in Montreux.

Late December: They return to London for holidays.

12th March 1990: Work on the album resumed, but in England. Sessions would last until June, and Roger would miss some of them due to The Cross.

Summer 1990: Work in Switzerland. Four songs already mixed at this stage (presumably Innuendo, Slightly Mad, ICLWY and DTSH). Brian misses some of these recordings due to Macbeth.

18th September: By this date they were back in London and they'd already named the album. Other songs done by this time were Headlong, Ride the Wild Wind and All God's People.

November 1990: Album finished and mixed.

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Made in Heaven:

April 1980: IABD (piano + vocals) in Munich.

2nd September 1983: LML (piano + Fred's vocals) in Munich.

May 1984: IWBTLY and MIH (piano + vocals) in Munich.

May 1987: HFE in Spain (The Cross version). It was never a Queen track for AKOM.

Early 1988: MLHBS (possibly).

Autumn 1988: TMLWKY (except for the bass as John was on holiday) and perhaps some final details on MLHBS.

January/February 1989: TMLWKY (bass).

December 1989: Freddie writes AWT (did he record it then? Maybe, maybe not, maybe only partly).

Late January 1991: Work on B-Sides for the Innuendo singles, but they save some for an upcoming album. Montreux.

Spring 1991: More work in Montreux. Roger and Brian miss some of those sessions due to other commitments.

August 1991: Fred goes to Montreux on holidays. He may or may not have recorded bits.

October/November 1991: Last visit by Fred to Montreux.

Autumn 1993 - around 25th February 1994: Roger and John begin working on the posthumous project.

March to June 1994: Brian joins the project and at that moment John goes on holiday.

Summer 1994: Work by Brian on the MIH project.

Autumn 1994: The three of them go to Metropolis to work together but very little (if anything) usable comes from those sessions as they find Fred's ghost too haunting. Brian resumes work on the album in Surrey, Roger goes on tour and John to Biarritz.

Winter 1994: Sessions by the three of them at Brian's studio.

Spring 1995: Separate sessions - Brian at Allerton Hill, John and Roger at Cosford Mill.

Summer 1995: The three of them work together at the three locations.

Late September 1995: Album finished and mixed.

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@ Mooghead: Yours is accurate as well, which proves my point: you don't need studio diaries to make an accurate one.


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 16:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not saying that a lot of time and work has gone into this, but, saying the band traveling around the list of countries mentioned in sept to dec 1981 reads like they were touring. Why else would they be traveling so much as a band. As the played no shows in America, England or Germany this could be taken as inaccurate as their is no other information available.

It's the same where possible dates are given and possible songs, some read as pure guess work.

In the last batch there is a line that says Freddie went to Montruex on holiday, where he may have or may not have recorded while there. Since no evidence is presented to say he did and there are no track names of what he worked on, why list it. It really isn't part of the known time line.

If you go through these entries and disregard the maybe's and perhaps and whatever at least what you are left with will be closer to the fact and still be an interesting and more accurate timeline.

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>>> saying the band traveling around the list of countries mentioned in sept to dec 1981 reads like they were touring.

Touring isn't the only reason why bands travel.

>>> Why else would they be traveling so much as a band.

Meetings, recordings, rehearsing, family life, holidays.

>>> As the played no shows in America, England or Germany this could be taken as inaccurate as their is no other information available.

Yes, there is. The Fan Club Magazine at the time was VERY detailed, even going as far as mentioning dates of their flights and celebrity guests at their parties. They meticulously mentioned how the band first went to America, then Venezuela, then America again, then Mexico, then America again, then Mexico again, then America, then Canada, then America, then England, then West Germany and then England again.


>>> It's the same where possible dates are given and possible songs, some read as pure guess work.

They're not. Not giving an exact date and time is not the same as being pure guess work. Life is not black and white. We DO know, thanks to the tape boxes, etc., that Lover Boy, White Man, Drowse, Waltz, Breath and STL were recorded before the rest of the album; that's not guesswork, it's fact. I can't tell if Lover Boy was done on the 6th of July, but I can tell it was done in that month. Same for the timeline for SHA, where the tape box clearly states the six cited songs.

>>> In the last batch there is a line that says Freddie went to Montruex on holiday, where he may have or may not have recorded while there.

Exactly. If I had said 'he recorded there' or 'he didn't record there', that'd be inaccurate. I'm considering both options.

>>> Since no evidence is presented to say he did and there are no track names of what he worked on, why list it.

Because the available information tells us that much.

>>> It really isn't part of the known time line.

It is.

>>> If you go through these entries and disregard the maybe's and perhaps and whatever at least what you are left with will be closer to the fact and still be an interesting and more accurate timeline.

It wouldn't be any closer, as it wouldn't add anything to what already is there. It wouldn't be more accurate either, for the same reason.


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 16:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This is quality stuff, thank you very much.


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 18:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great research work Sebastian.

I still have doubts on "A winters tale" too. I really doubt that Freddie could have sung "The Show Must Go On" or pretty much any other Innuendo song after "A Winters Tale" session. His voice is too strong on INNUENDO compared to "A winters tale". By this time it´s pretty clear that Freddie´s voice is losing strenght, culminating with "Mother Love".

I don´t have any evidence of this, but in this case, and FOR ME personally Freddie´s voice is guiving all the clues.

As i said before Great work Sebastian. And by the way, great site too. I remember discovering you site last year when you posted a link and i was IMPRESSED with it. You must have been doing this project for years, becuase the detail of separating segments of interviews to each song in particular- when applied- is really mind boggling. Thanks for all the Hard work.



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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 19:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, there are some mistakes on my list, AWT being one of them.


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Posted: 05 Aug 12, 20:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I always thought Freddie's vocals for Let me Live were from 1991 because it sounded more nasal to me.

Still, Sebastian is right more often than he is wrong and he is widely known for doing his homework and validating any piece of info before reporting it as real.

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Can anyone elaborate on 'Happy little fuck', 'you're young and you're crazy' and 'banana blues'. I have never heard of those.
I'm assuming they are original titles of songs on the album.


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Posted: 06 Aug 12, 01:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Happy Little Fuck, Young And Crazy & Banana Blues were the working titles for Brighton Rock, Tenement Funster & Misfire respectively.