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Posted: 09 Jan 17, 19:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am in the middle of reading this new Queen/AIDS bio, [url=I am in the middle of reading this new [url=https://smile.amazon.com/Somebody-Love-Legacy-Freddie-Mercury/dp/1681881888/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484012092&sr=8-1&keywords=somebody+to+love+-+freddie+mercury]Queen/AIDS bio, and they confirm that Queen and Bowie recorded Under Pressure in Montreux at Queen's studio. Then, almost in the same breath, the book reads that Freddie and David Bowie recorded the vocals at the Power Station in NYC. I have a feeling this book is stating that they were in the Power Station recording studios because Jon Bon Jovi claims he watched the singers record the song there when he used to sweep the floors for his uncle who owned it. Even on Hot Space liner notes, it makes no mention of being recorded in NYC. I always believed JBJ had been telling tall tales of legendary proportions, like partying with The Rolling Stones when he was a teenager and stuff like that.  Is there any written proof that they were recording Under Pressure in NY? It makes no sense, although at this point Freddie was living in Manhattan.  Any thoughts?]book [/url]and they confirm that Queen and Bowie recorded Under Pressure in Montreux at Queen's studio. Then, almost in the same breath, the book reads that Freddie and David Bowie recorded the vocals at the Power Station in NYC.  

I have a feeling this book is stating that they were in the Power Station recording studios because Jon Bon Jovi claims he watched the singers record the song there when he used to sweep the floors for his uncle who owned it. 

 Even on Hot Space liner notes, it makes no mention of being recorded in NYC. I always believed JBJ had been telling tall tales of legendary proportions, like partying with The Rolling Stones when he was a teenager and stuff like that.  

Is there any written proof that they were recording Under Pressure in NY? It makes no sense, although at this point Freddie was living in Manhattan.  

Any thoughts?


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Posted: 10 Jan 17, 02:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I may be wrong but I'm sure I've read that it was recorded in Montreux and mixed in New York?
Again, shoot me if I'm wrong....

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Posted: 10 Jan 17, 05:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A lot of this book is not original research, but hearsay, past incidental information, and assumptions. I'd stick with the original more established version - that it was recorded in Montreux

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Posted: 10 Jan 17, 07:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Peter Freestone wrote in his book:

The first of the two sessions for Under Pressure was twenty-four hours and the second, a couple of weeks later and 4,000 miles away in New York when Freddie and Bowie finished off the track at the Power Station, was a session which lasted another eighteen hours. Under Pressure came about purely spontaneously. Bowie, who was living in Montreux, heard that Queen were in town and just called round to the studio. Roger and Bowie got on very well anyway, although the lyric and title idea came from Freddie's and David's collaboration. The impromptu jam session soon assumed the 24-hour marathon shape I've described. I was overjoyed in New York when Freddie took up my suggestion of the two-octave vocal slide which I had noticed being so successfully used on another current chart disco track.



Roger Taylor, when doing a Q&A for QOL in 2002, said:

Absolutely nothing was written and in fact all that we were doing was jamming and David came in one night, and we were just playing other people’s songs for fun and David said ‘This is stupid – why don’t we just write one?’ It was originally called People on Streets, and that was the basis of it, and we took the multi track tapes to New York and I spent all day there with David and mixed it that night. I remember, we were fiddling about and we got the bass line, and then we went for a pizza! And when we got back, we couldn’t remember it, and somebody thought of it…John did, yes.



Roger Taylor allegedly said around the time of GVH II:

We wrote it together and it was one of those sort of magical, very long nights and I remember it came, and we finished it in New York... started it in Switzerland, finished it in New York and I remember thinking at the time, I really liked the song a lot.



Roger Taylor also allegedly said in 2004 [quote was cited on Bowie's official website back then]:

One night he turned up and we all started just piddling about, playing covers, and then I think we decided we'd write our own song. I think it was his idea actually. I didn't think it was a big enough hit. Actually I think it deserved to be a bigger one but I think that, you know, it was all a bit difficult. We had never actually collaborated actively with anybody before. So certain sort of egos were slightly bruised along the way. We never actually finished the record to my satisfaction. We finished it in New York, and it wasn't, technically, as good as it could have been. It could have been a lot better I think.



Brian May wrote on his website and a Daily Mail article the day after Bowie died:

When it came to mixing the track, I, (uncharacteristically, since I was usually the last one left in the studio of a night), opted out altogether, so that there were fewer cooks to spoil the broth. Roger hung right in there – and Roger, who had been a fan of Bowie from way back, was very instrumental in making sure the track got finished. In fact it didn't get mixed until a few weeks later in New York.  That's a whole different story, but I wasn't there, so all I know is that Freddie and David had different views of how the mix should be done, and the engineer didn't completely know how the studio worked! So it ended up as a compromise ... a quick rough monitor mix. But that was what became the finished album track, and a single too, which made a mark all around the world.



Chris Taylor wrote on his Facebook shortly after David died:

Episode III of the Under Pressure trilogy: The Final Mix.
In a galaxy far far away.....
Well not actually that far but New York was the chosen place to mix it. I've no idea why they chose there as we had never recorded any thing there. Having said that Roger & I did use the Power Station to cut Fun in Space. The guys all flew out then the following day I decided to join them as well and jumped on a plane to NYC. While I was in the baggage hall at JFK I made a phone call. 10 minutes after checking in to my hotel a vision walked through the door. Hello Miss Atlanta
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After we, erm, 'chatted' for a while we went out to get some food and a couple of drinks then headed off to the Power Station. On arrival everyone was there, except the two singers that is. It turned out they were playing mind games with each other. Freddie was phoning the studio "Is he there yet?" Then Bowie would phone "Is he there yet?" It seemed like the biggest star wanted to be the last to turn up. Quite childish I thought. Anyway, it was getting late(ish) about midnight but my body was still on London time so I had been up for nearly 24 hrs and was feeling tired so I had to make a decision. Did I want to stay and listen to Pressure a million times or go back to the hotel with my friend. No contest. Goodnight guys.
The next day I decided I didn't really want to be at the mix and called Roger and said "Se ya in New Orleans in a few days." I got a hire car and headed off to Pennsylvania to see Trip Khalaf. On the drive down there I thought I was gonna cash the car a couple of times. The first while I was driving down the freeway and saw a sign pointing to a town called Blue Balls. Yea that'll be me after last night. Then the next was for a town called Intercourse. I thought about turning off and going there but maybe I was ok for a while
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A few days later the entire entourage met up in New Orleans to start rehearsals for a North American tour.
Pressure on again



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I seem to remember Freddie's driver also confirmed it'd been finished in New York - and he was positive because he remembered the Bowie sessions but he wasn't there for the Swiss part, having never actually been to Montreux.

The fact the HS liner notes don't mention it means nothing ... loads of the credits are incomplete. Other details liner notes fail to mention include:

- The organ on Liar, Now I'm Herre and Marriage of D&M
- The stylophone on Seven Seas
- Guest singers on Seven Seas
- The double-bass on Two Legs
- Trident being used for ANatO [subsequent releases correct it]
- Brian's BV's on Two Legs, Best Friend, Sweet Lady and Prophet's Song
- Roger's BV's on Two Legs, Best Friend, '39, Sweet Lady and Prophet's Song
- Brian's piano on All Dead, All Dead
- John's acoustic on Spread Your Wings
- Mack's synth on Rock It
- Flash OST sessions in Munich
- The Staying Power sessions in New York
- The One Vision sessions at Maison Rouge in London
- David Richards' keys here and there

Not to mention there are some albums without performing credits (Jazz, The Game, Hot Space, The Works and The Miracle).


John hated Hot Space. Fred's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Wales is not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 10 Jan 17, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

By the way, Mack showed the tape sheet and it clearly confirms working title, date and location


John hated Hot Space. Fred's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Wales is not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 10 Jan 17, 08:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


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John hated Hot Space. Fred's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Wales is not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 11 Jan 17, 11:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Michael Scapp wrote:

Jon Bon Jovi claims he watched the singers record the song there when he used to sweep the floors for his uncle who owned it.


Am I the only person who finds enjoyment in picturing Jon Bon Jovi sweeping floors in a recording studio?

There's an example of a guy who forgot to remember where he came from.



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Posted: 11 Jan 17, 11:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Seb - excellent research, as always !



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Posted: 14 Jan 17, 20:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Currently reading the book, and it contains somewhat of a startling revelation. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Gaetan Dugas, but he was an airline steward who was one of the most famous early AIDS victims, often incorrectly referred to as Patient Zero. The book claims Dugas slept with an airline steward called John Murphy, who some time after (in 1980, supposedly) met Freddie and slept with him too, exposing Freddie but not infecting him.

It then goes on to say that Freddie at one point actually met Gaetan Dugas at a gay club in New York.

If you are unfamiliar with AIDS history, this might mean nothing to you. But it is in fact a major and rather outrageous claim.

I am at a loss as to how they got this info or if it is reliable. It is so specific that I think it cannot be reliable. Is it conjecture masking as fact?

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Posted: 14 Jan 17, 21:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree it's better to err on the side of caution. The odds of it being true are largely improbable, whereas the odds of someone (not necessarily the author) coming up with that story to make the whole thing more spectacular/Hollywood-esque are quite high.


John hated Hot Space. Fred's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Wales is not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 15 Jan 17, 14:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agree. Which puts into question some of the book's other revelations about the music.