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Posted: 11 Aug 17, 22:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey Conundrumme,
Freddie had given me an advance video of "Barcelona" and I absolutely loved it. I was not all that familiar with the work of Montserrat Caballe,
but after Barcelona, I tried to familiarize myself with some of her work. Fantastic!


Hello talismaniak,
Those who needed to know understood my slight variation of the words. Someone asked me how I stayed alive and I think that statement
suggests a reason why but not a certainty.

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Posted: 12 Aug 17, 03:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I hadn't visited this site in many months and visited today and stumbled upon this incredible thread!

Wow. This has got to be the coolest thing I've ever seen on either Queenzone or Queenonline.

I have poured over the pictures from Phoebe's book for years wondering what the people in those photo's were like. Wondering if they were phony hangers-on or truly friends to Freddie.

I can't describe how insanely fantastic it is to have you here, Thor, and interacting with us! Thank you so much and hang around here forever, please!

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Posted: 12 Aug 17, 05:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello PrimeJiveUSA,
Wow, thank you so much for your response. I'm glad you are enjoying the thread. I like sharing my memories and answering whatever questions I can.
I understand that I am not the last word in Freddie and Queen information.

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Posted: 12 Aug 17, 05:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, not many people have said this: but it's magnific to have you here. I hope this isn't only a temporary visit, for then leaving QueenZone for a long time. You're a great dude, from whom we actually learned a lot, and we're very proud that you're here.

Thank you, for insisting in posting here besides some unfortunate comments. We all did bad comments, at least once in our lives.

P.S.: Is this you?




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Posted: 12 Aug 17, 22:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@Thor

When I was 11-12 years old and obsessed with all things Queen back in 1980-82(Freddie's New York phase) and I was a member of the Queen International Fan Club, we would receive a quarterly magazine/newsletter where one of the band members would pen a handwritten letter to the fans(photo-copied of course). I distinctly remember Freddie writing about his time in "fab New York" and how he had taken up "smoking" and how hung over he was.

You were one of the people that was with him during all of that! And you were in LA with him when they were recording parts of The Works! I can't tell you how cool it is that you have entered these boards! You admit that you aren't an encyclopedia of knowledge about Queen...but who cares! LOL...you bring something to the table that is rare indeed. First-hand, personal experience with Freddie and observations about him as a person.

You say you weren't his "lover" but you did share one encounter with him...yeah...that's AWESOME! And I'm saying that as a totally straight, heterosexual guy! You spent the night with Freddie Mercury!

I just went to a concert last week in Nashville where Adam Lambert described Freddie as a "god" and the crowd roared at any video image of Freddie...and you were friends with him!

What an honor to have you here.

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Posted: 12 Aug 17, 23:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey There BETA215,
This is my second attempt to respond to you. Something must have gone wrong with the first try.
Anyway, Yes that is me next to Freddie in LA. He looks GREAT. I look like something the cat dragged
in - oh well! Thank you for sending me the info to get your ...let's say borrowed merchandise ...connection site.

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Posted: 13 Aug 17, 00:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello again PrimeJiveUSA,
Freddie did smoke when I met him but I don't know if he STARTED in New York or not. I'm sure his doctors were not pleased with this.
I have watched some video's with Adam Lambert and although no Freddie, he was better than Paul Rogers when I saw the (new) Queen
at the Hollywood Bowl. In my opinion, he did not fit in at all. I found him to be a bit of...bad company. Adam, I'd say is pretty good.

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Posted: 13 Aug 17, 01:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Thor

I don't post here that often, my interest is mainly Queen in the 70's and Freddie, well, I imprinted on him as a 5 year old girl when I watched Bohemian Rhapsody, lol. He lit up my imagination with his 'gotta leave you all behind and face the truth,' etc, and My Fairy King, etc, I think for a while I thought he really was some otherworldly figure.

What others have said, it's truly amazing to have someone here who actually knew Freddie and yet are giving us their time, so thank you! It's also amazing because we've heard about you, you are in the fable, so to speak, and now you're 'real' and talking to us. It gives me an opportunity to say how sorry I am for what happened with AIDS in the 80's and for the loss of your friends. I wish there was more I could say. I wasn't directly affected, and was only 15 when it all started, but it hurts to think about still and I've since had losses of my own

My question would be how did Freddie cope with death as an abstract idea (before or after aids making an appearance), did he ever share a philosophy about that? And, had he lived, how do you imagine he would have approached getting older?

Last one I promise....did you ever see his creative side at work in or outside the studio, if so what were those sessions like?

Thanks Thor! :-)

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Posted: 13 Aug 17, 03:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nice to finally put a face to your name, Thor! Even if that's not a recent pix :)

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Posted: 13 Aug 17, 05:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello SmokyQuartz,
Thank you for your kind words. I'll repeat what I have already answered about my remembrance of the death subject. We were young with the instinct/notion in us
of living long lives. With Freddie, we only had one discussion of death after our friend John Murphy passed away. I believe we all lied to ourselves with that inner
little voice that said "it could not happen to us." The topic was never again brought up even when I visited Freddie in 1990. Although quite ill at that point, he always
kept a brave face. It seemed obvious that he had come to terms with his fate. It was also clear that I would not be seeing him again and I would need to come to terms
with that.
Also, I never got to see the creative Freddie at work with his music but I did get to enjoy the finished product as did the rest of the world. I also got to see many
Queen concerts culminating with Queen at Wembley Stadium for the "Kind of Magic" performance. It was absolutely fantastic. Even Mic Jagger (one box away) seemed
to really like it too..LOL

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Posted: 13 Aug 17, 05:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am sorry that this last reply is so broken up, which kind of makes it more difficult to read.

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Posted: 13 Aug 17, 13:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Thor, I think we are all aware of the band's connection to Japan, they enjoyed playing there and seemed to some extent to embrace the culture.

What I've always wondered was did Freddie ever express more of a liking for certain tours or periods on tour than others?

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Posted: 13 Aug 17, 19:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sorry Vocal harmony,
All I know is that he loved his two tours when he was based in New York. Other than that, he never mentioned to me any favorite tours. I know he was very proud of
Live Aid and Kind of Majic at Wembley..

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Posted: 13 Aug 17, 21:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@thundergod

Oh, sorry if it bothered you! That's my signature, a message that is always shown under every of my replies. Don't pay attention to that.

I hope my greetings were profound enough :)


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Posted: 13 Aug 17, 22:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello BETA215,
I'm afraid I don't understand your last reply. What supposedly "bothered me", in your opinion, because nothing bothered me
at all about your message. I said nothing about the words below your message except Thank You for the info. I am confused.
Your words were great and easy to read about... but "profound?" Hmmmm. .

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Posted: 14 Aug 17, 14:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Thor! My first time posting here. First of all, I wanted to thank you for your contribution to the forum, I've been reading you and enjoying like a kid.
I don't have any specific questions but what I like most are the random memories and stories you shared, so funny and sweet, if you have (as I suppose you do) more of those to tell us it would be so great.
Thank you!

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Posted: 14 Aug 17, 14:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

An interesting read, and seemingly genuine. Thanks Thor you have been candid but respectful (as much as we crave any new morsel).

The narrative on this time in Fred's life is very consistent in that away from music he liked to keep things light and was indeed a hedonist, but without being unduly cruel to anyone. It also does seem to support the narrative that in terms of sexual behaviour he was irresponsible and selfish, something which his critics love to jump on. It also corroborates the story that away from his party loving side not many people really knew him. Indeed Brian and Roger maintain that they hardly knew him and that after the formative years they spent very little time together away from the music. In many ways I can't help but get the feeling that Freddie was a treasured colleague as opposed to an out and out friend. It's his relationship with Deaky that intrigues me the most. Seemingly polar opposites (although let's face it one would have to be bloody naive to believe that John wasn't a rock star in the formative years, I'm sure he was no saint) I've read that they were the closest in the band, something John's retirement adds credence too. Thor, you say you never spoke to John so for now I guess we remain in the dark.

I've only ever read one book on Fred as it's been chronicled so often how private he was and I have no desire to read 1000s of pages on his drug taking and partying. Hence I'm new here and it's been a treat to read a genuine inside view on a certain period of his.

Of course we have all read some outrageous quotes from Freddie and for some it matters not if they are true, they seem in keeping. My fave involves Fred allegedly in a Turkish brothel, probably a quote Queen ultras are sick of and as true as The Bible but it does make me chuckle.

Mr Mercury certainly still captures the imagination. Because of his tragic early passing he's frozen in time as the mustachiod gay rock god of legend. Long may he reign!



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Posted: 14 Aug 17, 14:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"I've been reading you and enjoying like a kid."

Yep! Perfectly stated, RBoulain!

@Thor

So, I guess you were a part of the group called the "New York Daughters"?

I am curious as to certain dynamics within this social group. Was there ever any sinickering at Freddie without his knowledge...you know, mocking or making fun of him? Did anyone say anything about how they thought his teeth were disgusting or hideous?

I've always wondered about these kinds of things because you KNOW that in the "real world" if Freddie were just an average joe that it is human nature for many people to do this. I know he was made fun of by other kids before he became a star. Or is star-power so blinding that none of you would think to talk that way amongst yourselves when Freddie wasn't present?

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Posted: 14 Aug 17, 19:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

OK everyone,
I have a feeling some participants are not reading this thread from the beginning because a few of the more recent comments
and questions were already answered as best as I could.

PrimeJive USA,
Thank you for the compliment. However, the discussion about "Mother" and "Daughters" has been covered. It should be
somewhere on page 1,2 or 3. For the sake of others, I don't want to repeat my replies UNLESS for some reason
you were not able to read the earlier pages.
I must scold you on your remarks about his teeth. I already explained how Freddie felt about his teeth. He hated them,
His friends accepted him without regard to any physical characteristics. We covered this in the "armpit wars" section. Please
read it and let's not start any "teeth wars". I will not comment on any messages like THAT again. Friends accept, they do not
mock.

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Posted: 14 Aug 17, 19:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi RBoulain,
Thank you so much for your comments. I think I might be running low on clever and funny statements until
some new ones come to mind. But, here is one in keeping with my last reply.
As I have said, Dave Clark was a good friend of Freddie's. I have always had a crush on Dave Clark, starting
in the 60's. Freddie had him over the house in London and Lee and myself got tickets to the show he directed
called "Time" on the West End. I was a bit shocked to see the amount of plastic surgery done on Dave Clark's
face. especially because it didn't look right. I, asked Freddie, after he left, if Dave was aware of his appearance?
Freddie answered:
"Well, of course he knows dahling. What was he supposed to do?... 'Say, Hello, how are you...sorry, but my
cheeks have fallen." Although Freddie said it in a joking way, and we took it that way it may have indicated his
true feelings about friends criticizing other friend's personal attributes..