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Posted: 02 Jul 18, 04:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

'Recommended viewing for people who for some reason can't understand why Trump won'

It might not be the whole story, or even a tenth of it, but that's a great video haha.

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Posted: 02 Jul 18, 06:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jeremy wrote:

President Trump is shaping up to be the greatest US president in modern history. Our recovery (economic/defense/infrastructure/foreign affairs...etc) is happening at a pace that few thought possible.

As President Obama asked, "What magic wand do you have?" (To improve the uncertain economy, low GDP, etc.)

I've been really really impressed with him.


The fact that I can't tell if this is a genuine comment or trolling makes me pretty nervous.


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Posted: 02 Jul 18, 22:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'll address pittrek first (I'd use quotes if I saw a "quote" function...how do you quote, man?)

I've gotten this response before, usually when I say "I support the president" I get "You cannot be serious GTFO troll."

I don't believe in trolling. It's a huge waste of time.

This president has an entire arm of propagandist media against him because their girl who favored them lost.

We'll get into examples of this later.



For john bodega:

For starters:

ECONOMIC


The L.A. Times: "If Trump thinks he can get more than 3% economic growth, he's dreaming"

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-3percent-20170519-story.html

Reuters: "Atlanta Fed upgrades U.S. second quarter GDP view to 4.7 percent"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-atlantafed/atlanta-fed-upgrades-u-s-second-quarter-gdp-view-to-4-7-percent-idUSKCN1IW2EH


Not to mention Black and Latino unemployment are at the lowest levels they have been in American history, with overall unemployment the lowest in 17 years.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/news/economy/black-unemployment-rate-record-low/

Consumer confidence is at an almost 18 year high.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumer-confidence-sticks-near-18-year-high-2018-05-29


DEFENSE

Military leaders came to President Trump and said that they were sorely in need of new military equipment and technology, that in some cases they were still using decades-old equipment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/29/americas-military-is-choking-on-old-technology/

He recognized that if you don't have a formidable military, you don't have a country, so he signed into law the a 700 billion dollar military spending bill to completely renew and replenish the equipment and technology of the US military as well as give pay raises to the troops.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-military-budget-20171212-story.html


INFRASTRUCTURE

President Trump is determined to repair, rebuild, and expand our United States roadways, seaports, airports, and municipal and governmental facilities.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/trump-calls-for-1-point-5-trillion-in-infrastructure-investment.html


FOREIGN AFFAIRS

In a huge step towards world peace, President Trump held a summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un, which, in exchange for cutting back on joint US-South Korean military training exercises, President Trump secured the commitment of the North Korean leader to the complete denuclearization of the country, the dismantling of all missile testing facilities, as well as the return of the remains of US soldiers who had fallen in the Korean War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGxi8Yv_vQ


http://time.com/5309425/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-summit-document-full-text/


http://time.com/5318121/president-trump-north-korea-war-soldiers-remains/


Also, President Trump is massively popular in China, having been bestowed the honor of being the first foreign leader to dine in the Forbidden City since the founding of modern China.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/world/asia/trump-china-fans.html

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/928865306134679552?lang=en

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/trump-forbidden-city-beijing-china/


Such is the case as well in South Korea, being introduced as "the leader of the world" during a state visit there.

https://news.sky.com/story/nine-things-we-learned-about-donald-trump-during-his-asia-tour-11126031


This is really the tip of the iceberg and only time prevents me from listing many more accomplishments that would be proudly touted by any president. I'm sure we'll get into more as we discuss further.



















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Posted: 03 Jul 18, 07:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"only time prevents me"

It's nice to have company. I just feel as though some of these statistics and numbers are being thrown around with a bit too much gusto. Slightly unrelated but here in Australia our government loves to trumpet its successes in reducing unemployment - but very cynically and with much slime, they're not specific about the kinds of 'jobs' being created. It's actually a very grim picture.

To try and bring it back to Trump, it's all well and good to make positive claims about his achievements, but it always seems as though there's a "well actually ..." waiting to be penciled in after each one. Statistics and figures shouldn't be as open to interpretation as tea leaves, but unfortunately that seems to be the way it's going. (Which is why we have so many dingbats who can't seem to get their shit straight with climate change).

"I'm sure we'll get into more"

I'm not sure I want to at all haha. Y'all enjoy yourselves though.

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Posted: 03 Jul 18, 11:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jeremy wrote:

I'll address pittrek first (I'd use quotes if I saw a "quote" function...how do you quote, man?)

I've gotten this response before, usually when I say "I support the president" I get "You cannot be serious GTFO troll."

I don't believe in trolling. It's a huge waste of time.

This president has an entire arm of propagandist media against him because their girl who favored them lost.

We'll get into examples of this later.



For john bodega:

For starters:

ECONOMIC


The L.A. Times: "If Trump thinks he can get more than 3% economic growth, he's dreaming"

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-3percent-20170519-story.html

Reuters: "Atlanta Fed upgrades U.S. second quarter GDP view to 4.7 percent"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-atlantafed/atlanta-fed-upgrades-u-s-second-quarter-gdp-view-to-4-7-percent-idUSKCN1IW2EH


Not to mention Black and Latino unemployment are at the lowest levels they have been in American history, with overall unemployment the lowest in 17 years.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/news/economy/black-unemployment-rate-record-low/

Consumer confidence is at an almost 18 year high.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumer-confidence-sticks-near-18-year-high-2018-05-29


DEFENSE

Military leaders came to President Trump and said that they were sorely in need of new military equipment and technology, that in some cases they were still using decades-old equipment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/29/americas-military-is-choking-on-old-technology/

He recognized that if you don't have a formidable military, you don't have a country, so he signed into law the a 700 billion dollar military spending bill to completely renew and replenish the equipment and technology of the US military as well as give pay raises to the troops.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-military-budget-20171212-story.html


INFRASTRUCTURE

President Trump is determined to repair, rebuild, and expand our United States roadways, seaports, airports, and municipal and governmental facilities.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/trump-calls-for-1-point-5-trillion-in-infrastructure-investment.html


FOREIGN AFFAIRS

In a huge step towards world peace, President Trump held a summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un, which, in exchange for cutting back on joint US-South Korean military training exercises, President Trump secured the commitment of the North Korean leader to the complete denuclearization of the country, the dismantling of all missile testing facilities, as well as the return of the remains of US soldiers who had fallen in the Korean War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGxi8Yv_vQ


http://time.com/5309425/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-summit-document-full-text/


http://time.com/5318121/president-trump-north-korea-war-soldiers-remains/


Also, President Trump is massively popular in China, having been bestowed the honor of being the first foreign leader to dine in the Forbidden City since the founding of modern China.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/world/asia/trump-china-fans.html

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/928865306134679552?lang=en

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/trump-forbidden-city-beijing-china/


Such is the case as well in South Korea, being introduced as "the leader of the world" during a state visit there.

https://news.sky.com/story/nine-things-we-learned-about-donald-trump-during-his-asia-tour-11126031


This is really the tip of the iceberg and only time prevents me from listing many more accomplishments that would be proudly touted by any president. I'm sure we'll get into more as we discuss further.






















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Posted: 03 Jul 18, 11:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jeremy wrote:

I'll address pittrek first (I'd use quotes if I saw a "quote" function...how do you quote, man?)

I've gotten this response before, usually when I say "I support the president" I get "You cannot be serious GTFO troll."

I don't believe in trolling. It's a huge waste of time.

This president has an entire arm of propagandist media against him because their girl who favored them lost.

We'll get into examples of this later.



For john bodega:

For starters:

ECONOMIC


The L.A. Times: "If Trump thinks he can get more than 3% economic growth, he's dreaming"

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-3percent-20170519-story.html

Reuters: "Atlanta Fed upgrades U.S. second quarter GDP view to 4.7 percent"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-atlantafed/atlanta-fed-upgrades-u-s-second-quarter-gdp-view-to-4-7-percent-idUSKCN1IW2EH


Not to mention Black and Latino unemployment are at the lowest levels they have been in American history, with overall unemployment the lowest in 17 years.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/news/economy/black-unemployment-rate-record-low/

Consumer confidence is at an almost 18 year high.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumer-confidence-sticks-near-18-year-high-2018-05-29


DEFENSE

Military leaders came to President Trump and said that they were sorely in need of new military equipment and technology, that in some cases they were still using decades-old equipment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/29/americas-military-is-choking-on-old-technology/

He recognized that if you don't have a formidable military, you don't have a country, so he signed into law the a 700 billion dollar military spending bill to completely renew and replenish the equipment and technology of the US military as well as give pay raises to the troops.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-military-budget-20171212-story.html


INFRASTRUCTURE

President Trump is determined to repair, rebuild, and expand our United States roadways, seaports, airports, and municipal and governmental facilities.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/trump-calls-for-1-point-5-trillion-in-infrastructure-investment.html


FOREIGN AFFAIRS

In a huge step towards world peace, President Trump held a summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un, which, in exchange for cutting back on joint US-South Korean military training exercises, President Trump secured the commitment of the North Korean leader to the complete denuclearization of the country, the dismantling of all missile testing facilities, as well as the return of the remains of US soldiers who had fallen in the Korean War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGxi8Yv_vQ


http://time.com/5309425/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-summit-document-full-text/


http://time.com/5318121/president-trump-north-korea-war-soldiers-remains/


Also, President Trump is massively popular in China, having been bestowed the honor of being the first foreign leader to dine in the Forbidden City since the founding of modern China.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/world/asia/trump-china-fans.html

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/928865306134679552?lang=en

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/trump-forbidden-city-beijing-china/


Such is the case as well in South Korea, being introduced as "the leader of the world" during a state visit there.

https://news.sky.com/story/nine-things-we-learned-about-donald-trump-during-his-asia-tour-11126031


This is really the tip of the iceberg and only time prevents me from listing many more accomplishments that would be proudly touted by any president. I'm sure we'll get into more as we discuss further.






















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Posted: 03 Jul 18, 11:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jeremy wrote:

I'll address pittrek first (I'd use quotes if I saw a "quote" function...how do you quote, man?)

I've gotten this response before, usually when I say "I support the president" I get "You cannot be serious GTFO troll."

I don't believe in trolling. It's a huge waste of time.

This president has an entire arm of propagandist media against him because their girl who favored them lost.

We'll get into examples of this later.



For john bodega:

For starters:

ECONOMIC


The L.A. Times: "If Trump thinks he can get more than 3% economic growth, he's dreaming"

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-3percent-20170519-story.html

Reuters: "Atlanta Fed upgrades U.S. second quarter GDP view to 4.7 percent"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-atlantafed/atlanta-fed-upgrades-u-s-second-quarter-gdp-view-to-4-7-percent-idUSKCN1IW2EH


Not to mention Black and Latino unemployment are at the lowest levels they have been in American history, with overall unemployment the lowest in 17 years.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/news/economy/black-unemployment-rate-record-low/

Consumer confidence is at an almost 18 year high.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumer-confidence-sticks-near-18-year-high-2018-05-29


DEFENSE

Military leaders came to President Trump and said that they were sorely in need of new military equipment and technology, that in some cases they were still using decades-old equipment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/29/americas-military-is-choking-on-old-technology/

He recognized that if you don't have a formidable military, you don't have a country, so he signed into law the a 700 billion dollar military spending bill to completely renew and replenish the equipment and technology of the US military as well as give pay raises to the troops.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-military-budget-20171212-story.html


INFRASTRUCTURE

President Trump is determined to repair, rebuild, and expand our United States roadways, seaports, airports, and municipal and governmental facilities.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/trump-calls-for-1-point-5-trillion-in-infrastructure-investment.html


FOREIGN AFFAIRS

In a huge step towards world peace, President Trump held a summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un, which, in exchange for cutting back on joint US-South Korean military training exercises, President Trump secured the commitment of the North Korean leader to the complete denuclearization of the country, the dismantling of all missile testing facilities, as well as the return of the remains of US soldiers who had fallen in the Korean War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGxi8Yv_vQ


http://time.com/5309425/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-summit-document-full-text/


http://time.com/5318121/president-trump-north-korea-war-soldiers-remains/


Also, President Trump is massively popular in China, having been bestowed the honor of being the first foreign leader to dine in the Forbidden City since the founding of modern China.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/world/asia/trump-china-fans.html

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/928865306134679552?lang=en

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/trump-forbidden-city-beijing-china/


Such is the case as well in South Korea, being introduced as "the leader of the world" during a state visit there.

https://news.sky.com/story/nine-things-we-learned-about-donald-trump-during-his-asia-tour-11126031


This is really the tip of the iceberg and only time prevents me from listing many more accomplishments that would be proudly touted by any president. I'm sure we'll get into more as we discuss further.






















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I'm sorry, I tried to post a response but the forum is fucked :-( Sorry, but when editing an existing post causes a new post with the same content, I don't have the nerves for writing it again

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pittrek wrote:

I'm sorry, I tried to post a response but the forum is fucked :-( Sorry, but when editing an existing post causes a new post with the same content, I don't have the nerves for writing it again


If you spend more than 20 minutes, this is the result.

When that happens, just click the back button the browser to return to the post you wrote. Copy the text, edit your new post, and paste the text in.

It sucks that we need to take care of this workaround, but it is what it is.



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pittrek wrote:

Recommended viewing for people who for some reason can't understand why Trump won - this is one of the reasons : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Y-P0v2Hh0


Indeed - that was excellent.

Trump spent decades building up a brand, and millions drank the kool aid. He then perfected social media and reached millions more on an emotional level with 140 characters or less. He may be an idiot, but he sure does understand marketing.

He's rich, loud mouthed, and uncompromising - basically the American dream.



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I'll just leave this here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trade-war-food-security-1.4727012

Trump is creating global instability. If anyone reads an article like this and thinks things are fine, they either suffer from severe mental illness or are insulated to the point that they don't care about the fact that their bloviating flesh bag of a president is dismantling western democracy before our eyes.

It is no longer left vs right. This is about the end of an empire and shifting global power balance. Trump's brand of isolationism and arrogance is pretty much a carbon copy of what every empire of the last 2000 years looked like shortly before they fell.

But who needs to look to history and see it repeat itself when we can just blame the intellectual elite libtards, Mexicans, or Muslims?



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"blame the intellectual elite libtards, Mexicans, or Muslims"

I'll take the last two and raise you a lesbian comedian!

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john bodega wrote:

"blame the intellectual elite libtards, Mexicans, or Muslims"




Libtards are anything but intellectual.

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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/health/world-health-breastfeeding-ecuador-trump.html

And the Republicans are now attacking breast milking, because of political donations from companies who make formula - it's a $70 billion industry.

Republicans listen to corporations and only corporations. It goes back to Reagan:

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/12/06/magazine/the-controversy-over-infant-formula.html

So you can't get an abortion, have to pay to deliver a baby, and you'll pay for formula because the Republicans are going to start trying to convince the public that breast milk is unsafe.

And the poor continue to vote Republican.

Americans are fucking dumb. 3/4 of them vote Republican or not at all.



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The Real Wizard wrote:

Americans are fucking dumb. 3/4 of them vote Republican or not at all.


3/4? Really? LOL

Then why did Trump get <50% of the popular vote?




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The Real Wizard wrote:

Americans are fucking dumb. 3/4 of them vote Republican or not at all.


3/4? Really? LOL

Then why did Trump get <50% of the popular vote?



"or not at all"

If the voter turnout was a bit over half, that means only about a quarter voted for someone else.



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I redacted my trolling hyperbole of my paraphrase of Real Wizard's statement:

The Real Wizard wrote:

Americans are fucking dumb. 3/4 of them vote Republican or not at all.



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As a royally embarrassed American living in the heart of New York City, I say Americans are Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Independents, Communists, Socialists, and more. Above all, Americans are lazy and entitled. Americans are shortsighted and insular. Americans are arrogant and ignorant, believing politics are local, that raising a torch will get them what they want - and what they want is for their personal worldview to become law for everyone.

Americans have no patience for another side's opinion or point of view; instead, Americans demand to have their side heard, understood and followed.

Compromise? What? Why?

Beyond all that, Trump is a pig and a traitor. He's always been a fraud and a liar. He's a narcissist and a cheat. New Yorkers have known this about him for decades - *anyone* paying attention has known this for decades. He's also angry and stupid and will do anything to benefit himself. Followers love everything about that animal because he's 'not like the others'. This moron promises chaos, and he always delivers.

Americans who want what they want for themselves don't give a damn about how the world crumbles as long as they 'win'. They're of the Steve Bannon mind - the mind that longs to take down the establishment. The one that believes anyone in need is simply looking for a handout. The one that believes people who don't look like them, speak like them, worship like them or think like them are 'infesting' their world.

I'm fortunate to live in a richly diverse community, yet, sadly, even here there are people who cheer the traitor occupying the White House. There's a reason Don the Con said he "loves the poorly educated". Americans have proven themselves to be just that - in great numbers and with greater pride.

Trump alone is nothing. Trump with a complicit GOP, a base of ignorant tikki-torch bearing bigots, an opposition notorious for sitting out mid-term elections and waiting for a ‘perfect’ presidential candidate is a nightmare from which we're not likely to soon wake.



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magicalfreddiemercury wrote:

As a royally embarrassed American living in the heart of New York City, I say Americans are Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Independents, Communists, Socialists, and more. Above all, Americans are lazy and entitled. Americans are shortsighted and insular. Americans are arrogant and ignorant, believing politics are local, that raising a torch will get them what they want - and what they want is for their personal worldview to become law for everyone.

Americans have no patience for another side's opinion or point of view; instead, Americans demand to have their side heard, understood and followed.

Compromise? What? Why?


And it makes sense when you consider the tenets of the American Dream.

This dream is one where you can pursue your own wealth and happiness on your terms, with minimal interference from the government. And if everyone works hard enough, they'll all achieve it. And if you don't work hard enough, you don't deserve what people who worked harder than you have earned. Obviously any thinking person can easily find countless flaws in this idea where everything is a zero sum game (and where everyone is assumed to have the same position at the starting gate). For one to win, others must lose. It's treating prosperity like sports. So much nuance is lost, particularly the idea of creating an equitable society for all, which is how literally every other civilized country works.

As George Carlin said: "the American Dream - you have to be asleep to believe it."

But for most Americans it's my way or the highway, because they have had a sense of personal and nationalistic superiority bred into them since they were six. Virtually every American classroom has a giant map of the USA, but not a globe humbly showing America's place amongst everyone else. This arrogant exceptionalism permeates so much of American life. Combine this insular worldview with the current protectionist politics, and the result is a country well on its way to isolating itself from the rest of the world.

But its beginnings are humble and had the best of intentions. It's pre-French revolution, so Europeans saw it as a utopia and made the trip across the pond. But eventually greed will take over in unbridled capitalism, which is why over half of America is now living in third world conditions despite still being the biggest economy in the world.

Something went desperately wrong these past 50 years, and most Americans are just too stupid to even know how to ask why, or to even know that anything is wrong. The rest of the world just doesn't exist to them (2/3 of them don't even have passports, after all). It's sad to watch a once great empire fall.



Artists must pass on, but sometimes a mix of passion, good fortune, diligence, expertise, and meticulous labor can capture and restore some of the beauty they left behind.



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