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Posted: 20 Feb 19, 21:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Freddie never hit the high notes all the time but that is because he was very energetic on stage and needed the energy to run about the stage, and gruelling tours took its toll on throat nodules.
He was a very hard working front man.
Freddie did make a Queen show dynamic he was the energy and the excitement of the shows arguably.


Even now, Everytime I watch a Queen show, it still blows me away. I don't think to this day, I've seen a band with so much passion for what they did together, onstage even more so.

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Posted: 20 Feb 19, 21:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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The problem with you mindless AL fanboys is that you spend time arguing and contradicting with another mindless group of fanboys, the Freddie ones.
You are both wrong, Queen was Greater than the Sum of its Parts.


I agree Queen was better together than they were apart. I know Freddie wasn't the be all and end for Queen. Partly why I'd like to see John in a montage during the Oscars for example...but I'm shot down by a Glambert for thinking that too ;-).

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Posted: 20 Feb 19, 23:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You Bucsateflon, are exactly right. It was all four individuals, not just Freddie which is what so many here think. There never would have been a Queen w/o all four of them. I do agree to that.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 00:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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You Bucsateflon, are exactly right. It was all four individuals, not just Freddie which is what so many here think. There never would have been a Queen w/o all four of them. I do agree to that.

Freddie was the driving force, one has to admit to that. Without Freddie there would not have been Queen. Without the other three members Queen would not have been Queen as well.
Queen were Queen because of the four members. I find it odd you are saying what you are here since you give me crap about wanting Freddie and John being shown at the Oscars or in Q+AL shows. Hmm.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 01:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Icy, it is no longer Queen as all of you are always saying. The group is QAL and it is different. I think Freddie should somehow be highlighted at the Oscars just like he always has been in every concert, which is different from most bands who lose or cut members. Freddie is brought up several times during any QAL show and most bands would prefer not to do that. But QAL does keep Freddie's memory alive. I think maybe Adam has toured long enough that things like cutting Freddie singing the end of BR is warranted and that is what they did last tour, but they still showcase him somewhere. However, I am not on board with John. He has chosen to disassociate himself from all of it. That is his choice to do. He could still be part of things if he wished, he apparently does not, so I do not see why he should have any role in this. He could show up at the Oscars if he wanted.

The crap you received from me was that you can't see why this performance should at all highlight or be important to Adam, Brian or Roger as it was all about Freddie and the biopic which is about him. There was no need to get too excited about them doing another cover. That is where the issue lies. The evening to me is two part, honor the band and Freddie in the biopic and then be equally excited about QAL's performance and hope that it is a huge success.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 07:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

snifflese, it’s interesting that icy is critical of the biopic but then goes on about it attracting more new fans than the live QAL shows. Yes, it has been very successful around the world but so has the QAL collaboration.

To me, whether it is the movie or the shows with Brian and Roger or Queen Extravaganza or any other Queen tribute band, it is about the incredible music and THAT is what is so attractive to music lovers everywhere. Why say one is better than the other? I’ve seen the movie, been to QE live and QAL live and have appreciated and enjoyed them all.



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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 07:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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snifflese, it’s interesting that icy is critical of the biopic but then goes on about it attracting more new fans than the live QAL shows. Yes, it has been very successful around the world but so has the QAL collaboration.

To me, whether it is the movie or the shows with Brian and Roger or Queen Extravaganza or any other Queen tribute band, it is about the incredible music and THAT is what is so attractive to music lovers everywhere. Why say one is better than the other? I’ve seen the movie, been to QE live and QAL live and have appreciated and enjoyed them all.



Thought you weren't reading my posts? Haha. Obviously, you do read them.
It's a fact the biopic has helped Queen get new fans, even with the wrong timelines etc in the film. You must be blind if you can't tell Queen has new fans lately because of the biopic.
Can't help yourself to say Q+AL has been just as successful can you? Man, it must burn you that it's Queen's legacy and the biopic that is getting Queen new fans these days, huh.
You say you have seen all that, but other than Q+AL, you can't even give much thought of your own about the Freddie and Queen legacy and music without somehow bringing AL into it. Not even then.
You know what is attractive to Queen fans? Talent. Talent wins out dear. Queen had talent and AL is nowhere near that, nor is he likely to ever be close to it. No wonder why he is pretty much stuck singing cover songs these last couple of years.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 08:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Icy, it is no longer Queen as all of you are always saying. The group is QAL and it is different. I think Freddie should somehow be highlighted at the Oscars just like he always has been in every concert, which is different from most bands who lose or cut members. Freddie is brought up several times during any QAL show and most bands would prefer not to do that. But QAL does keep Freddie's memory alive. I think maybe Adam has toured long enough that things like cutting Freddie singing the end of BR is warranted and that is what they did last tour, but they still showcase him somewhere. However, I am not on board with John. He has chosen to disassociate himself from all of it. That is his choice to do. He could still be part of things if he wished, he apparently does not, so I do not see why he should have any role in this. He could show up at the Oscars if he wanted.

The crap you received from me was that you can't see why this performance should at all highlight or be important to Adam, Brian or Roger as it was all about Freddie and the biopic which is about him. There was no need to get too excited about them doing another cover. That is where the issue lies. The evening to me is two part, honor the band and Freddie in the biopic and then be equally excited about QAL's performance and hope that it is a huge success.


Honestly, I'm not even sure if during the performance that Freddie and John will be shown. Two main reasons, one time limit, and if recent tours are anything to go by, there is less of Freddie and John being included than before.
If Bohemian Rhapsody ends up being the song to be be performed, Freddie deserves more than just one line to sing. It would not hurt for Freddie vocals to be more prominent. Give Freddie's vocals the last few lines, he deserves to be heard as well as seen.
Okay...here we go. Don't forget for a minute that if not for John as well that AL wouldn't be where he is. Just because someone has retired from public life does not mean that person should not be seen or heard from again. IMO, John also deserves some respect. You realise that you have contradicted yourself and your statements. You feel because Freddie has passed away that Queen's music should still be played live. But because John has retired and is no longer in the music business you don't think he should be shown at the Oscars...that's a pretty big contradiction right there. And a pretty messy one at that. What if AL retires one day, do you think he should not be seen or heard from again? You say Queen were all four members, and that I will never disagree with you about that ( there is that at least ;-) ) but because a member has retired you don't think he should be shown at all at the Oscars. John is a very private man, even so he deserves respect. Shame that you aren't going to give him any respect. Freddie has passed away, John has retired, but want to know how I see the way you think. Because Brian and Roger are touring with AL, those are the two members of Queen that matter the most for you, because they hype, big up, promote AL. Freddie and John can't, so no wonder why you gripe about them when it's all said and done. It's crazy, you bleat on about Queen fans not giving Brian, Roger and AL credit, but you can't even respect John and Freddie.
I have come across many fanbases in my years on the internet. In some cases, I've never encountered such entitlement and greed that some Glamberts have shown and on Queen boards no less. That's how you are coming across here. I doubt you truly know or care how important John was as a member of Queen. Regarding the Oscars you hope by Q+AL performing that it will get some Twitter buzz and it will somehow help AL. Well, at least that's out there how you truly feel now.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 17:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Back at you because everything you write can also be put on you, someone who is so myopic that only Freddie and maybe John are important to her. Read all your posts across the years and I bet Brian and Roger were mentioned in less that 5% of them and that is only because you were replying to someone's post. You can't seem to get Freddie out of your vision of Queen for even a minute. Not my problem. I can appreciate the old and the new. I believe in being flexible and seeing both sides of the coin. If you can't, fine, but don't criticize others for your issues.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 17:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Freddie never hit the high notes all the time but that is because he was very energetic on stage and needed the energy to run about the stage, and gruelling tours took its toll on throat nodules.
He was a very hard working front man.
Freddie did make a Queen show dynamic he was the energy and the excitement of the shows arguably.


On some tours Freddie was very consistent hitting notes and not cutting phrases short. On other tours his voice wasn't as good as we ll know it could be.

I don't think you can put Freddie's different vocal performance down to running/moving around on stage, after all Roger at the time put huge effort into his playing and still hit the notes required regularly. Speak to any rock drummer and they'll tell you the performance effort over a two hour show is a killer

Freddie's up and down vocal performance was down to life style and over exertion/bad technique.

If your going to compare Lambert or even Paul Rodgers for that matter, both are more consistent and look after them selves and the voices better than Freddie

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 18:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

snifflese wrote:

Back at you because everything you write can also be put on you, someone who is so myopic that only Freddie and maybe John are important to her. Read all your posts across the years and I bet Brian and Roger were mentioned in less that 5% of them and that is only because you were replying to someone's post. You can't seem to get Freddie out of your vision of Queen for even a minute. Not my problem. I can appreciate the old and the new. I believe in being flexible and seeing both sides of the coin. If you can't, fine, but don't criticize others for your issues.


Seriously, do shut up or stop twisting I've not even said. You have claimed to have read my posts for nearly a decade, go find one where I have stated Freddie and John are the only ones who matter. I never have.
You sure sound like you appreciate Queen, given the fact you don't think John should be shown at all. You ate so full of contradicting statements.
All you see and hear is AL. That's more obvious in your posts lately. You want him to get a Twitter buzz. You can't even be bothered to discuss Queen at all. Yep, some fan you are *sarcasm*.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 19:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Vocal Harmony : So you think Lambert and Paul Rodgers look after themselves better than Freddie did, well Lambert is only young so that does not count and Paul Rodgers was not a tornado on stage like Freddie plus furthermore Freddie is highly regarded than both Lambert and Rodgers put together, he is not considered the greatest male vocalist ever for nothing!
You are wrong again.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 20:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Icy, you don't don't discuss Queen either. You reply negatively to every Glambert post and call people out. Show me where you have ever said anything that was interesting about them. Oh, and you ask people what they think. Your posts are truly enlightening for sure! You are one of those people who can't see the forest for the trees. That is about all I can say at this point.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 21:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

snifflese wrote:

Icy, you don't don't discuss Queen either. You reply negatively to every Glambert post and call people out. Show me where you have ever said anything that was interesting about them. Oh, and you ask people what they think. Your posts are truly enlightening for sure! You are one of those people who can't see the forest for the trees. That is about all I can say at this point.


I do discuss Queen.
Nope, I don't respond negatively to every Glambert or AL fan. Rockchic and I seem to get on, even though she and I don't agree on everything.
What have you ever said about Queen? That you can't be bothered to discuss them, and then you try to turn things on me.

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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 22:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

snifflese, there is a mental problem going on here and that’s why it is a never ending merry-go-round !!!



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Posted: 21 Feb 19, 22:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

SweetCaroline wrote:

snifflese, there is a mental problem going on here and that’s why it is a never ending merry-go-round !!!



And you say that without reading my posts?
I really can't believe you are bringing up mental problems in this way today after the letter AL put out there. The guy is more tactful than you ever could be, sweetcaroline/CNB. Mental health is no joke. All you have ever done is mock about it. Maybe AL will open up your eyes, ears and heart regarding it in his letter and music, because you sure have mocked Sam, his music and even his fans regarding how you feel about depressing things.
And you think I'm a negative, selfish, bitch. You are pretty much heartless. I hope you have some heart in there for what AL has gone through, cause you sure don't have it for anyone else.

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Posted: 22 Feb 19, 11:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is Adam Lambert mental? We all knew he was ha ha ha

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Posted: 22 Feb 19, 11:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Vocal Harmony : So you think Lambert and Paul Rodgers look after themselves better than Freddie did, well Lambert is only young so that does not count and Paul Rodgers was not a tornado on stage like Freddie plus furthermore Freddie is highly regarded than both Lambert and Rodgers put together, he is not considered the greatest male vocalist ever for nothing!
You are wrong again.


I'm wrong again am I.

Freddie was actually younger than Adam Lambert is now when his vocal problems started. He also leads a fairly clean life style, especially compared to Freddie, who in the late 70 and early to mid 80's, was into quite a lot of cocain use and wild hedonistic parties. He basically didn't care about the damage he did to himself.

Rodgers went through a wild rock star 70's period but by the late 80's was on the road to a much more healthy life style than Freddie had led.

Now days Rodgers, who is in the same age group as Freddie would have been can still sing like he could 40 years ago. Freddie on some tours couldn't sing like he did the tour before and in some cases the week before.

Lambert sings consistently from night to night purely because he knows how yo sing in a professional way and he takes care of his voice and him self. Freddie didn't always do that.

If you want to use the argument that Freddie couldn't sing at his best because he as such a showman and was always moving you should have watched or been going to see Van Halen in the early 80's. There show production was usuallybigger than Queen and David Lee Roth moved around more than Freddie. He couldn't sing that well live, but hey that didn't matter he moved around a lot. . . Or at least that seems to be your argument!

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Posted: 22 Feb 19, 16:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wrong again, you just cant swallow the fact that Freddie is the greatest rock vocalist ever, and you have to try and make other artists sound better than Freddie.
You are wasting your time because history has been made and Freddie has done what he was put on earth to do.
He was not a rock star he was a legend and the greatest of all rock male vocalists, so yet again you have lost the argument or do you want to argue with the world over that one?
So Freddie had a wild exciting life snorting cocaine and sucking lots of cock and still pulled it off to be the greatest, not bad eh!

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Posted: 22 Feb 19, 17:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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. . . . the greatest of all rock male vocalists, so yet again you have lost the argument . . ..


One of Freddie's major strengths was that he could sing in several styles convincingly. Look at the wide range of styles that Queen covered.

But if your going to single out Rock then Freddie would be in the same pond as Rob Halford, Ronnie James Dio, Brian Johnson, Robert Plant and several more. At the height of their prowess they were better rock vocalists than Freddie.

Yeah I know I'm wrong, Freddie is the greatest I've heard it all before. It's just a shame that through your blinded fandom view you seem to have missed what made Freddie great and so doing you're ignoring what made others great at what they did.