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Posted: 13 Jun 20, 21:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Competition this isn’t in anyway a competition that’s not what it’s about. In my opinion it does as you say have to do with the film and it goes beyond money.They painted a pretty family fantasy that was everyone’s dream Rock star.Management wanted for the new generation of viewers to believe in Boy meets girl love and he briefly toyed around with bisexuality. That was wrong he has made them so much money and still is.So these two books that are backing up this beautiful fantasy I bet they will have many pics of Mary Austin. Rudi’s Book is devoting one whole chapter on Mary. Are any 2 of these Queen books going to have Jim Hutton or any of Freddie’s other bfs in them. I say not for one he was private for another they don’t want that in their books. This is just my opinion so yes I do think it’s good somebody is standing up for a dead man who can’t say he was gay in the year 2020 Amen.

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Posted: 13 Jun 20, 21:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rainbow, that was an incredible description of each book and the way they came about...well said!

Chevy, I honestly don’t understand why it upsets you that these books are coming out around the same time? As you say, it’s not a competition. They are completely different books, and likely by the time each comes out there will be significant gaps of time between them anyway. People are definitely hungry for Freddie info, and like me will probably end up with all 3. All the books can come out and it will be fine. As to the focus on Freddie’s sexuality, I am quite sure the Preston book will have nothing on it if he was their concert photographer. Rudi has a chapter on Jim, and has talked about Freddie’s love for him. But why is it so important that these books focus on Freddie’s sexuality in any specific way? It’s not their job to explain whether Freddie was bi or homosexual, who he loved more, or anything of that kind. And if they do say something about it, it doesn’t mean that what they say is Freddie’s real truth. They will only be repeating what they saw or heard, interpreted through their perspective. They were not inside Freddie’s head to know the actual truth. I sincerely hope that these books don’t create more Jim vs Mary drama, as it really is none of our business who Freddie loved more, or what any of them did behind closed doors.




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Posted: 13 Jun 20, 21:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MHZ, I don’t expect anyone to agree or understand it it okay. Everyone just has an opinion and that ones mine. We all got our own. But to me it is truly awful what media and even his management which he trusted with his legacy done to him after death. I don’t gotta worry about that I’m not famous lol.

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Posted: 13 Jun 20, 22:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

St. Jiub...Thor and Lee announced their decision to write the book in late December 2017. Prior to that, people posting on their thread had certainly encouraged them to think about it, as their stories were so interesting. In my earlier post, I simply said they had been working on their book for a while. What I NEVER said or implied in any way was that anyone's books were a "cash-in". Not sure how you interpreted my words as such. I have been supportive of Thor and Lee's book writing venture from day one and was one of the early people to donate to their GFM account. I would never have done that if I thought the book was going to be anything less than a tribute to their dear friend. I will buy Rudi's book and will probably end up buying the Neil Preston book as well.

In terms of coordinating a book with the movie's release or some time thereafter, that is simply a smart thing to do. By the way, this is what Thor posted on Dec. 29, 2017:

"So, that brings me to the good news and the bad news-
We have decided to go ahead with the book, overloaded with photos and written content!!!!!!
Lee has so little time available and we have made a deadline for ourselves of coordinating it's release with the upcoming Bohemian
Rhapsody movie. Therefore, due to the work involved in this project by two non-novelists, we feel we should end this thread."

MHZ...I agree! While Freddie's sexuality is still a hot button issue for some, I truly think most people are beyond that and do not care to label what he was. Freddie was a shining light. Period!



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Posted: 13 Jun 20, 23:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I’m not angry at all but I saw a reply that I didn’t answer it has tooken Thor and Lee a while to write their book. Well I have done research and it has been even longer for Rudi he has been at this a long time then all of a sudden he is like mad out there working on it. He’s utube live videos are like fishing tournaments he baits his fans that’s crazy.Oh maybe a good soap opera when he has a top secret tune in for next time to see how the page turns. I thought he was playing the prices right was he on a toy horse.Thor and Lee never did or said any of these things to the fans. They answered questions if they didn’t know they would say so.Then the Peter Freestone secret my goodness they looked like the three stooges without the third stooge.I mean who does this.

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Posted: 13 Jun 20, 23:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was talking about Rudi and Peter Freestone. One more thing I bet when Thor and Lee started going through photos of Freddie they had pics of other friends almost all who had passed. Maybe that brought up some hard stuff for them.I know when I look at pics of me and my uncle mike he used to use me when he lifted weights . He would have me walk on his back.That picture is painful to look at. So those other Writers weren’t dealing with all that death so young it makes a difference.It stays with you.

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Posted: 13 Jun 20, 23:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rainbow, I thought your post was outstanding. It was clear that you put a lot of thought into it and you articulated what I have been thinking every time this topic comes up..

Rainbow, you certainly did not say that Thor and Lee viewed the movie as a cash-in. and I was sorry to see your post diminished to one small point. Many times they said they wanted to coincide the release with the movie. It was their primary goal!! And what's wrong with that? I've never heard of an author who didn't hope to have a best seller . The movie has nothing to do with this topic. It's old news. The guys knew interest in Freddie would peak and it would be a good time to release the book. As for people being frustrated that it's not out yet, I've not seen that. I think all of us, including Thor and Lee, wish it could have happened faster, but we all understand why it didn't. Perhaps there has been frustration expressed on another medium, but I have not seen it. To the best of my knowledge only 2-3 people asked for refunds on their GFM donations.

As for the comments about the other books, Rudi has clearly stated on his Live Broadcasts that there will be a chapter on Jim, one on Mary and one on Barbara. In fact he talked at length about how much love he saw between Freddie and Jim, and others. Neil Preston is a well-known rock photographer. I am sorry that I shared that picture of Freddie and Mary that will be in the book because that was construed to mean that there will be many pictures of Mary. I should have known better than to share it. I just thought some of you might enjoy a new picture of Freddie.

MHZ and Rainbow, I agree. I think most people are long past labeling Freddie. It's an ancient argument.

Finally, I don't see the constant need to attack Rudi. He's quite the character and has his own way of doing things, but it's easy to avoid looking at his YouTube channel if the material there offends anyone. He's been in the entertainment industry for his entire life and he knows how to do promotion.

I think it is just silly to keep dwelling on conspiracy theories about other authors or the "Queen Machine" out to get Thor and Lee. I don't think that helps Thor and Lee at all.

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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 00:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you Katydyd! I also have not seen people complaining about Thor and Lee's book. In fact, people are still sending in their donations. I agree with you about Rudi's YouTube videos...people do not have to watch if they don't want to. Choice...it's a wonderful thing.

Chevy...No insult was intended in stating that Thor and Lee's book has taken a while. I think they had a vision of what they wanted their book to be and would not settle for something that didn't meet their standards. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure looking through all of those slides was difficult for them at times, as it is for all of us when we see photos of people we have loved and are no longer with us. I have that experience every time I see pictures of my father and my grandparents.




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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 02:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rainbow - I did not intend to hammer on you, and did not mean to imply that you thought that the Freddie book was a "cash in".

However, back at that time, Jacky from the Queen Fan Club was hostile to the Freddie book, and there were suspicions that Jim Beach and QPL were trying to prevent publishing the book, as it did not fit the QPL narrative. Jacky and Jim Beach also seemed to imply that the Freddie book was a cheap "tell all" cash in. Meanwhile, Rudi's and Preston's books appeared to have the full support of QPL.

I think Thor's and Lee's motivations to write the book are pure, and that the Bo Rhap movie was a secondary consideration to them.

I think that any mention of the Freddie book in association with the Bo Rhap movie risks more QPL accusations against the Freddie book, and I would rather let sleeping dogs lie.

I just think that the Freddie book stands on its own merits, and should not be associated with the Bo Rhap movie.

Sorry if I overreacted.




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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 04:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

St. Jiub...The fact that Freddie was comfortable with Thor and Lee visiting him at Garden Lodge during the summer before he passed, at a time when he was limiting his social circle, says a lot about how Freddie felt about them. I also think the Freddie book should stand on its own merits. We're good now! :)

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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 16:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rainbow, I agree it does say a lot about them being as he was so sick that he considered Thor and Lee so close and felt peace and comfort with their presence it means everything. He probably was glad Thor was a nurse as well and could do things for him without maybe going to emergency services. That terrible media camped outside his house I read.I’m curious if they were ever bothered I hope not.I know poor Elton was.

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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 16:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I also wanted to clear something up when things settled.What I was talking about was about Freddie spent all that time becoming comfortable with himself. It goes and has nothing really to do with labeling him. He found himself and his inner peace. The fans so disliked his physical transformation that he went through on stage between the 70s and 80s. They thought in the Early 80s it was a fashion another fashion statement. It wasn’t though nor was It just head knowledge .It was him it was his heart his soul and who he was as much as anyone else.So what we are talking about isn’t just a matter of sexuality it’s more of a disrespect to him as a person.Thats what I was meaning and it was taking out of context.It seems that it keeps repeatedly being done to him.It doesn’t make me angry at those that call it labeling and other such wording because I know they just don’t simply understand it.

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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 16:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I meant to say others wonder why I refer to those wordings I feel like the rest of the population can relate to that specific terminology and clearly they do because they seem to keep calling him things he didn’t discover about himself instead of things he had discovered about himself.Enough said on that people have their own ideology on him truth or not. His friends even said he was who he was. To me that’s good enough. I have never seen a celebrity desrespected and those around him disrespected as much as I have this man it’s kinda crazy. Change of subject is well overdue sorry for giving my two cents.

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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 17:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Chevy...I know the media became a big problem...don't know if it was an issue during the time of Thor and Lee's visit (In terms of reporters being outside of Garden Lodge) but it might have been. Maybe Thor and Lee will address that in their book. People were initially surprised at Freddie's short hair and mustache look, some might have even been upset about it, but those who didn't accept Freddie's new style, and what that represented, ended up being a minuscule drop in an enormous bucket when you consider the size of the adoring and enthusiastic crowds Queen played to in the 80's. Take comfort in knowing that Freddie is now, and will remain, one of the most respected and beloved rock stars of all time!

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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 18:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I still don’t understand, and I’m sure I never will get the need to hammer that Freddie was gay, and only gay, and that is the only important fact about him. Freddie doesn’t need anyone to stand up for him and say he is gay, he could....and DID say it when he was alive. They addressed it in the BoRap movie, the band has acknowledged it, we have acknowledged it....the world has acknowledged it. To assign somewhat evil intent to those writing books without knowing that person, or even having listened to what they say about Freddie doesn’t make sense.

I’ll leave the subject now, and apologies if I offended you in any way Chevy, that is definitely not my intent. I am looking forward to getting and reading all the books on Freddie, and intend to read them with an open mind, then make any necessary conclusions afterwards.




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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 18:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agree totally Rainbow well said!

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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 18:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MHZ, no apologies needed it’s just opinions your good and your input I always enjoy reading as well as all the others.

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Posted: 14 Jun 20, 19:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

New study suggests coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan may have started in August:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/09/coronavirus-may-have-been-in-wuhan-in-august-study-suggests

One US politician tested postive for coronovirus antibodies, but the last time he was sick was in November (as far I remember).

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Posted: 15 Jun 20, 02:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Katyd, I agree Rudi takes to long to get to the point, he’s good at casting the fishing line out, then reeling in, then casting out again. I do look forward to the book, but I don’t care for the idea that the preorder is made without a final price on the book. Thor and Lee had a fixed price on the preorder. However I am sure Rudi’s book is going to be competitively priced with similar books, so not to concerned.

Amidds, a random page from a very old yellowed out page from a dictionary at the letter “M” is the background of the photo. But the artist pulled a page from the words that begin in “Ma” rather than “Me” so the definition of Mercury would be on the page his photo was superimposed on. Artist messed up here.

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Posted: 15 Jun 20, 02:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Steven, I meant to reply to your earlier post about conversational English. You are, of course, correct about the difference between taking the time to write in English, and having a spontaneous conversation. When I was still teaching, I had many ELL (English Language Learners) in my class. Often they started with no English at all. I was working with 7-8 year olds so they were very receptive and actually learned the language fairly quickly. They spent part of the day with English tutors, and the rest in the classroom. I would say close to 40% of the children in the school were ELL students. They often understood spoken English before they were willing to risk actually speaking. It was a great joy to watch their progress. One issue I had is that I speak very quickly and that might have made it harder for them to understand. I had to constantly remind myself to slow down. Do you come across many native English speakers in your city? If I'm remembering where you said you lived, don't you have a large university there? I'm wondering if you could possibly connect with some people there.