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Posted: 31 May 20, 20:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Im curious to see/hear how the rest of the world is reacting to the protests/riots that are occuring in major cities across the USA for the death of George Floydnat thenhand of a police officer. Here is a picture of where all these protests and riots are occuring.

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Posted: 01 Jun 20, 01:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The combination of the Trump administration's poor response to the pandemic, centuries of systematic racism, a now almost non-existent middle class, and the worst unemployment since the great depression has resulted in a dumpster fire the world is now watching burn without a shred of surprise.

And instead of offering a word to bring calm, Trump is unsurprisingly egging on authorities to be more forceful while methodically branding those protesting systematic racism as "thugs," effectively fanning the flames of racism to keep his base happy. It began with his support of the white supremacists in Charlottesville, and in the ensuing couple years the country has now successfully regressed over 150 years on the rapist in chief's watch. And nearly half the country still thinks everything is just fine, because Fox News told them it is.

Meanwhile Joe Biden spent the day in Delaware chatting with black protesters, with a mask on and with social distancing.

And that's without mentioning the military industrial complex, the evangelical Christian lobby, tens of millions still without health insurance, and gun violence.

We're watching the fall of an empire. And thanks to social media, the world can watch in real time. The country may not even make it to the next election.

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Posted: 02 Jun 20, 02:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is pitiful that one must glorify a "dumpster fire". The gloating over this "dumpster fire" dishonors the many peaceful daytime protestors, and glorifies the opportunist outsiders that invaded Aurora IL in the dark of night..

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/ct-abn-aurora-demonstrations-st-0602-20200601-3heczybb4faqzmm5nu7ylvkexu-story.html




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Posted: 02 Jun 20, 08:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If conservative white America continues to sit silently, or even to support the murder of unarmed black citizens by paramilitary police then they are responsible for and indeed deserve everything that happens as a result of that.


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Posted: 02 Jun 20, 18:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great speech by Joe Biden today. The right words, the right tone, spoken at the right time. But will anyone listen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2aWDG87nJo


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Posted: 03 Jun 20, 00:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"There's no excuse for the kind of violence that we saw yesterday. It is counterproductive," Obama said at a press conference from the White House. "When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building, they're committing arson. And they're destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities. That robs jobs and opportunity from people in that area."

The above quote is regarding Baltimore in 2015.

The organized looting by opportunists (Uhauls and cars lining up for looting) is not a legitimate protest.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/politics/obama-baltimore-violent-protests/index.html

http://patch.com/illinois/across-il/organized-effort-led-looting-city-lightfoot


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Posted: 03 Jun 20, 08:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's an indictment against white America that if George Floyd's murder wasn't caught on camera the cops that murdered him would likely still be on duty, protected by institutional racism, their militarised police colleagues, and the ignorance, racism and deafening silence of white America, all personified by a fuckwit president.
As I said, keep ignoring it and everything that comes after is inevitable.



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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 01:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@Holly2003: I was once talking to a blatant liberal - he was standing opposed to me, his eyeballs black and hot. He didn't say anything, he just stared at me and made purring noises.

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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 02:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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It's an indictment against white America that if George Floyd's murder wasn't caught on camera the cops that murdered him would likely still be on duty, protected by institutional racism, their militarised police colleagues, and the ignorance, racism and deafening silence of white America, all personified by a fuckwit president.


Bingo. Although I wouldn't be quick to dismiss 45 as a "fuckwit" - he knows exactly what he's doing.

Pieces like this are a combination of heartbreaking and infuriating:

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/opinion/sunday/trump-george-floyd-coronavirus.html

America is an inherently racist country. It was founded by slave owners, for crying out loud. Things have barely improved since colonial times. Redlining still exists. The plantations still exist - they were just relocated to the jails so that they'd be out of sight. Ever since the Southern Strategy was implemented, every single Republican at every level of government has been complicit while in office. And over 40% of America has no problem with any of this.

It's inspiring to see how mobilized people are at this moment in history, but it's far too late. There is just too much ignorance and hatred on the right, and it will never go away. The time to fix it was before the alt right took over places like 4chan and reddit, where 14 year old kids are now red pilled with "alt lite" guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, and soon enough Breitbart or Daily Stormer is their primary news source. Even most liberally minded folk over the age of 30 have no idea any of this exists, never mind old dudes in rural Kentucky who think Reagan was a nice guy.

There are a million things in this world that can be fixed - racism in America isn't one of them.



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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 03:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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It is pitiful that one must glorify a "dumpster fire".


It's not glorifying - it's illustrating reality with the necessary language to convey the urgency of the situation.

America has been a dumpster fire since colonial times. Ask 100 black people and Hispanics within your borders. At least 99 of them will agree.

And it was designed that way. An individualist and capitalist society with no social safety net built on the inherent idea of pursuing liberty and success at the expense of others is not one where people en masse will help abolish racism (or solve any other social issue) even if they're aware of it. They get their piece of the pie, and then it's don't tread on me.

Yesterday the president brought in the army to clear away peaceful protesters with tear gas and flash grenades so that he could do a White House photo op with a bible in hand to appease his evangelical base. You know who brings in the army to defend them from their own people? Dictators.

Watch this in full and tell me American democracy is not in peril:



If you don't think your country is a dumpster fire, both literally and figuratively, then you haven't been watching carefully enough.

The experiment that is America is about to fail. To most who are a visible minority it has already failed by the time they're 8. Now it's your turn. Be prepared.



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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 05:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree that Trump should not have unleashed tear gas, flash grenedes and mounted police on peaceful protestors. I also agree that Trump should have been more diplomatic than "when the looting starts the shooting starts".

However, the rest of Seth Myers diatribe is his garbage masquerading as humor.

I doubt you read anything i previously presented, as your cognitive bias, arrogance and gloating would not allow it. I cannot believe you can legitimitize organized looting.

Here is another article you won't read to completion:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-george-floyd-urban-politics-kass-20200603-swm4pkkxgrf6hcluirrngtcx6y-story.html

In my small suburban hometown only one building was looted.

Can you guess the building?

It was the marijuana dispensory which has fuck-all to do with peaceful protesting.




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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 07:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You may not like Meyers' humour, but can you point out one factually inaccurate part of that clip?

The looting sucks. Obviously. Nobody apart from a small minority of anarchists is in support of it. Your suggestion that I feel otherwise is a straw man argument, as I hadn't even mentioned it.

That column you linked to is a gish gallop of Fox news talking points, designed to change the channel from the actual story (side point: the suggestion that Joe Biden is far left is laughable - by European standards he would be centre-right).

The actual story - since the inception of the United States, to this day, there has been systematic racism in place. The current incarnation of it began with the COINTELPRO program started by J Edgar Hoover after the success of the civil rights movement, aiming to control the narrative by sowing doubts in people's minds that those fighting for equality were the enemy. The program may not exist anymore, but its principles continue to exist in today's right wing media, like that column you linked to.

Your fixation on the small minority of anarchists doing the looting instead of the root of the problem - racism that has existed for centuries - proves that they continue to be successful.

If you want to help solve the problems your country faces, stop posting garbage like this on internet forums and educate yourself about America's longstanding history of racism. Then you can participate in the discussion, the solution, and the healing.



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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 07:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Conservatives want to focus on looting so they don't have to talk about George Floyd's murder. And if forced to talk about the man's murder, I expect to hear the "one bad egg" excuse deployed again.


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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 13:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just something to think about. Instead of hating a group of people because of their beliefs (Democrats or Republicans), it might benefit us all if we tried acceptance and understanding. Blind hatred gets us nowhere and makes you that person you are complaining about. If you must insist on an Us vs. Them mentality, shouldn't it be the people vs. politicians? You can take a side all you want and blame the other for every negative thing that's ever happened, BUT, if you look back, you will see that both sides have used us for votes, power and money. Very few have our best interest at heart. Maybe it's time we do more than point fingers and stop blindly putting our trust and faith into a political system that has failed us time and again from BOTH sides. We all need to wake up and start trying to make changes to the upper level instead of just sitting back, pointing fingers and insulting people who, if you listen closely, want the same things we do (yes, there are always exceptions). If we stopped aligning ourselves with the people causing the problems and band together, we will eventually make the changes we all need.



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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 18:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Amidds wrote:

Just something to think about. Instead of hating a group of people because of their beliefs (Democrats or Republicans), it might benefit us all if we tried acceptance and understanding. Blind hatred gets us nowhere and makes you that person you are complaining about. If you must insist on an Us vs. Them mentality, shouldn't it be the people vs. politicians?


That kind of simplistic dualistic thinking just doesn't work in practicality, especially in a country where over 40% of the people support a racist president. It's them who are responsible for the overwhelming majority of the hate, not people who are fighting for marginalized people's basic rights to exist.

We should not be branding the people who are fed up with racism as also being filled with "hate". That's precisely what Trump did when he said there were "very fine people on both sides" in Charlottesville - as if Nazis and people fighting Nazis are somehow equal opposites.

Furthermore, this false notion that there are only two ways to think pervades so much of American discourse. The two party system has most people thinking there are only two possible ways to think - "my" way or the "wrong" way. Indeed, both parties have their flaws, but the Democratic party has not spent the last several decades passing legislation to destroy education, the environment, and the institution of government itself. That solely lies on the Republicans - particularly Mitch McConnell.

People who support a racist president absolutely do not "want the same things" non-racists want. Your enthusiasm for finding middle ground is admirable, but the reality is - you live in a country where about half its citizens are not interested in helping anyone but themselves. And we're going to need more than platitudes to solve this problem.



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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 18:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's exactly what I was talking about. Let's just hate a whole group of people instead of just the few who might actually deserve it. Without objectivity, history will continue to repeat itself. Can't blame others if we're not willing to change. Simplicity? Yes, it could and should be.

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Posted: 04 Jun 20, 18:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But it isn't. We're grownups, and solving problems like 400 years of racism isn't simple.

History is only repeating itself because your country isn't doing anything about racism. The root causes have rarely been addressed. The last time it tried to, the nation's greatest philosopher was assassinated (unless you count Obama, in which case you can thank the current US president for discrediting his efforts in the form of helping convince 3/4 of Republicans that he was born in Kenya).

You're right - it isn't the majority of America's fault that it hasn't addressed the causes of racism, because there has been a concerted effort by a powerful few who have sought not to educate its citizenry about the country's racist history. These people continue to lobby legislators who decide who writes the school curriculums. The ignorance of the majority of America is by design. And that's going to make it that much harder for your country to heal itself.

But we're in the digital age now. The information isn't hard to find. Start with this:



This video clearly and methodically illustrates how slavery was relocated from plantations to prisons, and how it affects literally everyone else in the form of jobs that are not on the job market because those jobs are done by predominantly black prisoners for 16 to 26 cents an hour - in privately owned prisons where the states pay them per prisoner. And the people who own those prisons pay off the media to ensure black people remain stigmatized as "criminals" so that it stays this way. This is how it has been since 1865, and why it has not once been covered on the news. Until the majority of America revolts against this, nothing will change for anyone.



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Posted: 05 Jun 20, 07:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Amen, Wiz. Essentially the worst suspicions are prob true.. the POSUS is a compromised individual, as is likely half or more of the House and Senate.. and they're likely trying to destabilize everything. Undermining law, disregarding checks and balances, surveillance, dividing the populace further, 4 Inspector General removals in something like 3-4 months, extremely suspicious delays in reacting to Covid-19 (they'd snapped up massive investments in the newly essential Tele-medicine and let their buddies drop stocks prior to even making covid a response (to which they haven't even responded well to)... deployment of the military on its own civilian population, pandering photo ops. Endless madness... it has all seemed deliberate.

At least the general public is getting a perspective of it. People's trades being reduced to a ONE TIME $1,200 supplement (plus a little more for those who have children) racking up 3+ months of debt, some being evicted, some governors putting a moratorium on evictions (which equals racked up debt once this is recalled). People without livelihood.

it's hard to understand how this fuckup still has a base, if it's not just stubborn hatred, as most of his policies have not benefited the working man. (they only benefit stock and shareholders, who eventually likely produce overseas) nearly all oversight on environmental restrictions have been removed by his declaration of "national emergency" (for which his administration has still failed to guide and prevent with prior or forthcoming efforts)

I can only hope that dissent leads to removal... this is all a huge, huge mess... leading to fascism. I'm one of the few still retaining employment, though several have been laid off this past week (despite the company being in the Fortune 500)

To make matters worse, there will likely be a potential upsurge in the second wave of covid from MEMORIAL DAY and now.. the protests (many being intercepted and used to mask looting and or alternative counter -intelligence like activities)

I've been around town if only just for the basics, and I HAVE overheard some little wanna be thug kids, teenagers (ethnically hispanic and asian since that's where I live around) who were getting antsy and happy about going to certain towns and hoping to loot something good.

it's all a measure of mass chaos, which I feel is deliberate. There's no leadership to control this "us vs them" factioning that gets bolstered any time that it benefits old white folks fears of "colored folks"


hell, there's even surplus food not getting distributed to food vendors and stores thats either being plowed under or just all out massacred ("livestock")... we've got the Pres' people discussing people as "human capital stock" without any resultant disgust from this guy's base...

its beyond deplorable, it's offensive to law, life and sanity and any degree of intelligence.


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Posted: 05 Jun 20, 09:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Of course this is not exclusive to the USA


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/edmundston-police-shooting-fatal-1.5597994


Absolutely disgusting. Tweets suggest the reporter laughed when asked if they'd shot more than one round.


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Posted: 07 Jun 20, 02:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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We're watching the fall of an empire. And thanks to social media, the world can watch in real time. The country may not even make it to the next election.

Stay safe.


The following editorial was written by a Washington Post correspondent (not Fox News):

http://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-opinion-commentary-mark-guarino-looting-20200605-bfopxb3q5bgnlmsnzpa356oqpy-story.html

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Commentary: ‘Tonight she’s jobless.' There’s nothing justifiable in looting.

Since last weekend, when looting spread from the downtown business district to pockets of Chicago, I’ve tracked reactions on social media, largely by white friends safely tucked at home, away from the consequences of destruction. To my surprise, many romanticized the looting, saying it’s just their black neighbors raging against society’s sins that go back centuries. Two nights earlier I had posted photos of a hair salon’s storefront, shattered by bricks during a riot in Uptown. One friend said she understood the distraught owner’s frustration, but hey, she has insurance, and she should really appreciate the larger struggle.

Then there was that meme circulating for days that suggests if you are outraged by looting, you couldn’t possibly be outraged by the death of George Floyd.

No. You can be outraged by both. Looting is a destroyer in these neighborhoods. I agree that Gucci can rebuild. And Gucci customers can move on. But you know who can’t? Jerry Winfrey, 54, the caretaker for his mother. The Dollar Tree looting and fire now means he has nowhere to buy groceries. He has no car. The nearest Jewel might as well be on Mars. “Can’t go to the grocery store no more,” he says. With Dollar Tree gone, “it’s gonna be rough.”

This whole thing is a tragedy, has zero to do with Floyd’s tragic killing, and it’s aggravating to listen to armchair liberals reciting abstract social theories that conclude what’s good for the impoverished in our city. Real life is more complex than fits a meme. Or that think piece in Salon you’re sharing that got your echo chamber giving you mega “likes” on your social media page.

The next time you share that meme and bang out a post proclaiming how looting and destruction benefits society because — Who? Trump? The mayor? Santa Claus? — is going to learn a lesson about the suffering of people, why don’t you drive to Chicago and Homan avenues on the West Side and ask the people who are actually suffering? Guarantee they’ll give you a different story.


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