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Posted: 28 Jan 04, 16:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A countlessly done, perhaps old old question.

What's wrong with the 80s album?

Note the word: wrong. Is there something musically "not good"? Are the songs boring or too simplistic? Are the songs too "commercialized", and if they are, what does that word mean, more specifically? Or are the albums considered inferior because they used synth alot? (And what's bad about using synth?) Or is it the style? Not pure-rock like 70s, not operatic, or too operatic, or too pop, or too R&B, or too... etc. (And what is bad about being any of these, or all of these?)

I'm no musical expert - in fact, my musical judgment depends upon one thing, and one thing only - whether I like it or not.

Reading a lot of opinions about 80s album being "fillers" "commercialized" "not great" "killing Queen career in US" (as far as I knew Another One Bites the Dust, the US hit, wasn't too 70s either... wasn't it IWTBF video that did the harm?) etc., I came to question my own judgment about songs... I like almost all Queen songs without question. It really surprises me to read opinions on amazon.com about Queen in decline in 80s. (studio-wise). Am I the only one who thinks that their musical talent was pretty much even and continuous until 1991?

And what songs are "fillers" and how do you define them? Easy-to-make, catchy but not-profound-enough songs?

Just curious to know why people may think differently. :)


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Posted: 28 Jan 04, 16:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nothing wrong with the '80's albums in my opinion just a progression from the '70's albums. Yes Queens style changed but it did that with each album. I used to think Hot Space was a bit dodgy but there is some inspired guitar on there just listen to Dancer. Part of Queens success was that they always sounded different while still sounding like Queen.


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Posted: 28 Jan 04, 16:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There's nothing wrong with the 80s albums, and I still feel like 'Hot Space' has started to slowly grow on me.

Queen has always liked to experiment with different sounds and genres from the very beginning, but it wasn't until 'News Of The World' when their albums started to get more of a mainstream sound rather than keeping the original Queen sound.

Arguably the following albums weren't as good as those from 'Queen II' to 'ADATR', but I think most people here would say that they still enjoy them a lot, and it goes to proove that Queen can still succeed while being forced to re-invent themselves.

Let's not forget that there comes a moment in every musicians career where they are forced to change while still preserving their musical identity, and that's the main reason why most musicians stop selling records as much as they did before.

There's no doubt that Queen did still succeed, despite the change. Whether someone doesn't seem to enjoy all the great things Queen did in the 80s, that's their loss.


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Posted: 28 Jan 04, 19:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

myself I think The Game was their best album.... and Hot Space wasn't bad either.. but Flash was horrible.. ;-)

Just kidding.. If it weren't for The Game I would have never gotten into Queen.


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Posted: 28 Jan 04, 20:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The 80's albums are just as great as the 70's albums! :)


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Posted: 28 Jan 04, 21:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I totally agree. I love all of Queen's albums, including the solo efforts, though I can't say much about the Pepsi ad...

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Posted: 28 Jan 04, 22:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Anyone who writes off 80s Queen as too commercial or whatever is missing some great stuff. While arguably not as copnsictent, Queen were (and still are in someoccasions) a powerful and creative force.

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Posted: 28 Jan 04, 22:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

if queen did the 70's music in the 80's they would have droped off the face of earth in 82.


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Posted: 29 Jan 04, 03:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agree with you guys


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Posted: 29 Jan 04, 08:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

From what I have seen on this board the folk that trash the eights material do so to look cool.

Queens material is very varied and always has been so there is pretty much equal high and low points on each of their albums IMO.

Personally I always loved the way they experimented with different styles, not all work again IMO, but hats off for trying, if they'd stayed the same, they would be long gone by now


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Posted: 29 Jan 04, 08:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I think it's mostly because of the style- not "rock" enough.... Or maybe it's just to "poppy" production...? Like synthesizers... I'm not the one who goes against synts in rock music- my second fav band DREAM THEATER uses keyboards in excellent way, without "flatenning" the sound... And that's what happened in 80s on FEW Queen songs (I said FEW, don't get crossed anyone)
But- guess what?- that's what I THINK, it's MY OPINION...
There's nothing WRONG with those albums in general, there's nothing wrong in being pop or doing an album like Hot Space- IN GENERAL. But FOR ME- I don't like it that much. Period. I love many songs from 80s (Was It All Worth It, POTU, actually- almost the whole Miracle album, ITTWWC...?, etc- MANY of them...). Yet on 80s albums you've got fillers like "Pain/Pleasure" or "Don't Lose Your Head" or "Machines"- and few more; IMHO there weren't ANY fillers during 1973-76 period, I love almost all the songs there (1 or 2 exceptions- I stioll like them though)... Love the sound, love everything about them... And I don't enjoy 80s albums THAT much, don't listen to them very often any more (I was when I was 12-16). Period. De gustibus non disputandum est...
Answering your question- there's nothing wrong generally speaking... But they're weaker IMHO, FOR ME, FOR MY TASTE... Am I narrowing my horizons then...? Maybe- but f**k it, I can live with that...

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The ones I don't like and that IN MY OPINION don't fit the album at all...
Anyway- when you read a review in rock magazine- isn't it as well OPINION of a critic...? I put mine here, that's it...

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Posted: 29 Jan 04, 14:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nothing wrong with them, just more commercial than the 70's.


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Posted: 29 Jan 04, 15:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hot Space grows on you like algae. At least, it did so for me. The thing is, you have to get over the initial shock of the different direction Queen was going for on this album.

You have to keep in mind, Queen had to keep up with the style and come up with a new sound as time progresses. Obviously, it became more difficult to keep the pace when they went into the 80's with an enourmous back catalogue behind them.

The thing is, they were probably a bit worn from the ten years of enourmously complex albums. One thing about the 80's is that they were markedly simpler in overdubs/etc.

Was this a bad thing?

Well, consider such songs as Bring Back That Leroy Brown. A toweringly complex track, Roger noted that they spent countless hours building that one up. However, does the amount of effort put into it equate to exactly the effect it brings? In my opinion, it doesn't. Though, BBTLB is a good song, but less time focusing on that could have helped out some other songs that perhaps might have needed attention.

Then, take I Want To Break Free. Relatively simple song, yet incredibly catchy and still has a "soul" to the song.

Well, yeah, that's sort of how I feel about it.


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Posted: 29 Jan 04, 20:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen's sound has never been dated, IMHO. The songs sound as fresh and spontaneous as when I first heard them, and I can recall when I heard them when they first came out (when they used to play Queen on album-oriented radio, or AOR). A show called The King Biscuit Flower Hour used to play whole sides uninterrupted of the (then) new Queen albums, and sometimes the group participated in a (taped) discussion of the making of the album. Freddie was so much more talkative in the early days of Queen -- he used to talk more than Brian, which was amazing (and moreso when they used to interrupt each other!). Radio just isn't creative enough anymore to catch the artists' renderings of the makings of classics-in-progress, and it's really sad!

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Posted: 01 Feb 04, 14:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah in the 70s Freddie's voice was more young and fresh sounding. Of course he always had a brilliant voice but in the 80s it got a bit more mature and husky partly due to his excessive smoking.


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Posted: 01 Feb 04, 14:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love smoky voices!!! I think Freddie's voice was awesome during the 80's. And kind of sweet at the beginning of Queen and even before. Listen to "I can hear music", he had such a clear voice, really great!

Oh, and I don't think there's anything wrong with the 80's albums, I just don't like Hot Space (except of Life Is Real and Under Pressure and Las Palabras). But the rest is crap IMO and I guess I'll never like it. But it's part of the Queen history, it was experimental and it's all fine.


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Posted: 01 Feb 04, 15:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sonja, I was listening to Hot Space again last night and had a revelation!
I finally mastered all the words to all the songs!! Freddie is so fun to imitate. His nuances and vocal style are so brill!!

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Posted: 01 Feb 04, 15:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's cool, Lisa. I have never had the patience to listen to Hot Space that closely. I have tried though but I got fed up after the first 3 songs... I couldn't even tell you the names of all the songs on Hot Space!!


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Posted: 01 Feb 04, 18:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like the '80s stuff, but they'd broken all the barriers they'd set out to break by then.

In the '70s they were pioneering a lot of studio techniques (ala Bo Rhap), and also proved they could play multiple musical styles and put them altogether on one album and make it sound good.

So by the '80s I think they were more "relaxed" since they'd already proven themselves. Of course there were still new types of projects they tried in the '80s (movie soundtracks for instance), but the '70s Queen was so groundbreaking that it was hard to match.


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Posted: 02 Feb 04, 05:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Every establish artist suffered in the 80's, it was a malais broght on by the 'Thriller' syndrome. After Micheal Jackson released everything except the hole in the centre of the record, record companies decided that they could do the same with every band.

Whereas previously there were only 2 or three singles taken from an album at most, the 80's so 4-5 6 singles taken from them. Which meant that bands were forced to record singles and stick them on an album, whereby in the seventies they could experiment with one or two songs, knowing they were for the album only.

This is probably another reason why Freddie took most of the vocal duties after the Game.