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Posted: 26 Feb 04, 21:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Have you ever watched 'Jesus of Nazareth' by Franco Zeffirelli, Matt?

If so, what do you think of 'The Passion' compared to that one.


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Posted: 26 Feb 04, 22:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have to watch it, thanks Matt


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 16:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As an atheist, i doubt it will have the same effect on me as it did on Matt if and when I eventually see it. I hate to see any human being tortured like that. I don't care if it's Jesus Christ or Joe Schmoe, it's wrong. The movie certainly reinforces THAT, if nothing else.

It looks like it was well done. But having heard one of my best friends' reports of it, I'm not so sure I'll be able to stomach it. He had to be rushed out of the theater after 20 or 30 minutes, due to retching on the floor.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 17:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I assume that since you are an atheist that you can disprove the existence of God? Perhaps you are more of an agnostic than atheist.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You aren't required to 'disprove' the existence of God to be an atheist Zeni. You simply refuse to acknowledge it, which is somewhat different. It can be argued against, but not disproved, just as those who do acknowledge his existence can never prove it to be so.

I don't believe in such nonsense however, but I have no desire to be labelled as anything.

Except perhaps Scoundrel and Coward, which I freely admit to being.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can't wait to see it.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"You simply refuse to acknowledge it, which is somewhat different."

I don't quite see the difference. I think that refusing to acknowledge still falls into the agnostic catagory. Care to expand?


"It can be argued against, but not disproved, just as those who do acknowledge his existence can never prove it to be so."

I agree. But I think that most people that claim they don't believe in a god are actually agnostic and recognize the fact that they can never prove or disprove it.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why must we be labelled so?

I am happy going through life just being me.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not arguing for labels, but I hate seeing terms thrown around without due thought as to what they mean.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

On the contrary, I know precisely what they mean.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is not you, oh great Flashy, that I was doubting.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why label Mandy as agnostic if she never gave a hint that she believes in God.

I've been talking to her for quite a while, and though she has told me that she's atheist, she has never made it seem like she believes in God or follows a certain kind of faith. Then again we have never discussed our own religion beliefs.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well it better not be Zeni, that's all.

You've made my 'Eyes Damned' counter increase now.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It was only a matter of time, Flashy.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 18:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This conversation would be a perfect example of exponential decay for my math class. We have gotten bakc on the subject of Flashman's damning people's eyes, which always ends up with us all giggling like idiots :).

Zeni, you don't have to prove anything to be an atheist, any more than the Christian camp has to prove anything. I don't believe there are any deities. I respect a person's right to believe so. All atheism means is that we deny the existence of a god. It doesn't mean we are intolerant, militant little berks who insist that we know God does not exist.

By your logic, everyone is an agnostic. No one can prove anything.


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Posted: 27 Feb 04, 22:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"By your logic, everyone is an agnostic. No one can prove anything."

Wasn't my logic. I believe David Hume was the first to argue that point some 300+ years ago.







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Posted: 28 Feb 04, 15:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

at my church, they were handing out tickets to see this movie... mom really wants to take dad, me and my brother to see it... im not really interested in it...


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Posted: 28 Feb 04, 20:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just out of interest Matt, did you find anything anti-Semitic in it?
Not that I think it probably is, it's just interesting to see if people who have seen films can pick what people get upset about.


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Posted: 28 Feb 04, 23:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


I'm not going to see it. My husband saw it and told me all about it. From what he told me Mel Gibson's Jesus would have died before being crucified.


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Posted: 29 Feb 04, 10:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I saw it on Wednesday (my computer is down that is why I am not on much now) and I did not enjoy it. But That was juswt it was too graphic for me I think. My mom heard an interview with the guy who played Jesus and she said in the flogging scene they were supposed to be hitting this board in stead of him but they hit him once, which hurt so bad he coulnd't say a word or tell them to stop, then they missed the board again and it tore about a foot long gash in his back.

As for my beliefs, I believe in God but I choose the life of pleasure because I think it is better than heaven. I get so mad when pastors say that "salvation is free" yeah right but he wants your entire life devoted to him.


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