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Posted: 08 Mar 04, 01:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen, and the respective members, were pumping out tons of great material in 1983 & 1984. Just think of how big The Works could've been if Roger, Brian, and Freddie had harnessed some of their solo efforts into The Works....
Possible tracklisting of The Works:

Radio Gaga
Let Me Out
It's a Hard Life
Strange Frontier
Made in Heaven
Hammer to Fall
I Want to Break Free
Man on Fire
I Was Born To Love You
Is This The World We Created
I Go Crazy
Tear it Up
Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow
Keep Passing the Open Windows

songs to be used as B-sides: Man on The Prowl, Machines,
Thank God It's Xmas, and Man Made Paradise

wow! It might have been hailed as a pop masterpiece (although I doubt critics would say that about Queen) and definitely would have been a major comeback from Hot Space.
Who knows, maybe even America would have caught on and the boys could've toured here. It's all a big "what if".
Regardless, I love the Works as it is, as well as Star Fleet, Mr. Bad Guy and Strange Frontier.


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Posted: 08 Mar 04, 03:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indeed that would be one hell of an album. Only problem is by that point Freddie was singing everything and 'Man On Fire' and 'Strange Frontier' just wouldn't be the same without Roger!


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Posted: 08 Mar 04, 21:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

One thing, in my opinion, that could have improved "The Works" was better production. I feel that the whole album sounds "flat", like when you put your eq on flat. No punch, no power. "The Miracle" sounds much better, and not just because of advances in technology. "News of the World" sounds better and it came out seven years earlier.


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Posted: 08 Mar 04, 22:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sorry to say this but the 'Made In Heaven' versions of the Mr Bad Guy songs are way much better than the ones originally recorded Freddie as a solo artist.

I love 'The Works' but I feel it was too much of a "singles" album, rather than an album as a whole.


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Posted: 10 Mar 04, 06:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Radio Gaga
Let Me Out
It's a Hard Life
Strange Frontier
Made in Heaven
Hammer to Fall
I Want to Break Free
Man on Fire
I Was Born To Love You
Is This The World We Created
I Go Crazy
Tear it Up
Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow
Keep Passing the Open Windows

songs to be used as B-sides: Man on The Prowl, Machines,
Thank God It's Xmas, and Man Made Paradise"

It could be better than "Triller"
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Posted: 10 Mar 04, 07:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe with that tracklist I would actually sometimes have listened to the album.
To me, The Works sounds VERY dated like it is, I almost forgot it exists.


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Posted: 10 Mar 04, 08:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Also don't listen to it anymore... Same with AKOM- I really, really don't like production on those two- IMHO they sound awful...

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Posted: 10 Mar 04, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My only changes to The Works would have been to make it slightly longer. (it's roughly 35 mins. I think) Perhaps utilizing some longer versions, particularly if they had seen the potential for "I Want To Break Free" a little sooner and used the extended mix on the album (minus the montage at the end!)

I also think 'I Go Crazy' is a fun song and could have been added. So I'm particularly fond of the Hollywood Records version since it adds this plus 2 of the 12" versions.

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Posted: 11 Mar 04, 07:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The problem with The Works is that although the songs are great songs (as proved in their live performances, especially Radio GaGa and Hammer To Fall) they suffer on record because they're too slow and too well-produced. A song like Hammer To Fall needs some of that raw energy that goes right through something like Stone Cold Crazy, and Radio Gaga relies too strongly on synthesisers.

With a bit of re-working, and the addition of the odd track here and there, it could have been a much better album, but as it is, I find it quite disappointing.

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Posted: 11 Mar 04, 07:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I tend to agree with that, Mack is a wonderful producer if you are after a great 'studio album sound' he did some magnificent stuff with ELO, but for a 'live' sound you can't beat Roy Thomas Baker and the early stuff, I think both The Game and Hot Space work well as Mack influenced works, but I remember at the time being rather bored with that sound by the time The Works came out.


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Posted: 11 Mar 04, 08:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Couldn't agree more- live both were very often highlights of the whole show- same with "Break Free". Those are musically really great tracks, but... I honestly can't stand the sound- awful drums in "Hammer", too many synths in "Ga-Ga" or "Break Free"... The production like on "Miracle" cold have worked much better...
And I agree that "I Go Crazy" should be included, instead of "Machines" or "Man On The Prowl"- both quite weak IMO... The longer versions of "Hammer To Fall" (but better mixed than on 12") or "Hard Life" also wouldn't hurt being really fun (IMO anyway)

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Posted: 11 Mar 04, 14:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think further proof that Mack's production was growing stale is the fact that Queen brought in David Richards for part of the "Kind of Magic" album. I think the group must have been disappointed when "The Works" failed to do better, sales-wise. They had recorded in L.A. and used the latest technology, and were rejuvenated by a new record deal, yet the album is just flat.



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Posted: 12 Mar 04, 08:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


and don't forget, back in 1984 you could get away with only 9 tracks on an album!




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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 13:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Definitely should have had I Go Crazy on there, but it really wouldn't have fitted on the album anywhere. I'd have said re-vamp the whole thing, dump whoever it was produced Hot Space, and jack up Roy Thomas Baker and get him to do his stuff again.

But then again I'm a nostalgia fan, although it's not what it used to be.


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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 16:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"dump whoever it was produced Hot Space"

That's a little premature. It was Queen! Duh... Mack helped - but you can't dump the blame on someone else. He was on The Game too, wasn't he?

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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 17:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As far as I'm concerned, 'The Works' DID rule 1984.

It certainly did up at The Towers anyroad. Never off young Flashy's stereo, that bugger. Drove Flashman Senior barmy, rot him.

It's why I had him put in a home.


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Posted: 27 Apr 04, 16:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with Richard, the works is already a masterpiece...
But if I were in Brian's shoes I would have insisted to have Go Crazy included in the album tracklist, maybe giving up the release of one of his minor songs on single (for instance Tear It Up), if equal earning on royalties was the problem for the four.

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Posted: 27 Apr 04, 22:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yep.. The Works ruled 1984 and is a pop masterpiece.. but here's my list

1.Radio Gaga
2.Tear it up
3.Love Kills(why do you forgot it?)
4.I go Crazy
5.It's a Hard Life
6.Man On Fire
7.Let Me OUt
8.I want to Break Free
9.Made In eaven
10.Hammer To Fall
11.I was Born To love You
12.There Must be More in Life than this
13.Machines
14.Is This the World We Created?
15.Thank God Is Christmas
16.I dream of Christmas

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Posted: 27 Apr 04, 23:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Excellent point about Love Kills. I did intend to have it on my original list, but must have forgot it in all my excitement! In essence, it was a Works track, but was given to Moroder for Metropolis. I love Brian's guitar towards the end of the song. Not a bad candidate for Brian and Roger to polish off. They could give it a harder feel with a 2004 Queen version.


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Posted: 27 Apr 04, 23:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Two Christmas songs in a row? Ugh.