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Posted: 14 Mar 04, 17:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Laborist party PSOE "Partido Socialista Obrero Español" has won the general elections of Spain, having as this José-Luís Rodriguez Zapatero as the new Spain President instead of José María Aznar.

PSOE (I guess) will have to ally with two or more laborists party to finally rule Spain.

I think, a goverment formed by three political forces would be better than one, cause if you have three points of view you can work the things out better for everyone.

PP, the party of Aznar, was ruling Spain with no more forces, they were alone and they were able to do what they wanted (they took us to a war we didn't want to go, and more things I won't put here).

By my part, today is a great day and people has changed their mind after the Al-Qaeda (eventually) terrorist attack, realising at last that Aznar put us into the war (but Spain people didn't want to go to the war) and punished Aznar giving away the votes.

Spain will be ruled by a Laborists forces and that's great by my part. A new, clear, sane administration is ready to aim Spain to a new future, a new relationship with Europ and a less hate situation inside Spain.

I'm happy. :D


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 03:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

All is going on well here and people is happy!!

YAY! We'll have a good President!!


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 04:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Socialism rulez!!!


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 13:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Interesting that turnout went up (most likely) due to the terrorism.

In which case terrorism has been good for democracy...surely not what they intended. Nice one, Spain...

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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 13:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just what we needed - another bunch of wet lefties making the world a more miserable place.

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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 14:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

LOL @ Flashman!

Good one there, you just are so right!

WE WON! FASCISTS ARE OVER!


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 14:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Terrorists 1 Democracy 0




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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 14:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i agree Sir Archie Leach



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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 16:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I must tell you, this is an insult to me.


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 16:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Uh-oh... I see another argument coming up VERY soon...


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 17:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I won't argue for such an idiot thing.

Making jokes about terrorist attacks, dying people, democracy and all this stuff makes me sick, but I won't argue.


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 17:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

then your taking it the wrong way(at the very least my comment)

no one is slamming you or the way your country voted or even minimizing the tragedy that befelled Spain last week.








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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 18:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Josuecifu, I have every sympathy for your countrymen what happened there was an atrocity on an equal par (in my veiw at least) with America's 9/11. The Spanish people probably thought what I had thought all along and that is the war on Iraq shouldnt really have happened.

But having said that, I think that there is just a modicum of truth in what PG said. In tonight's ITN news shown here in the UK Michael Portillo said, "The terrorists, I’m afraid, will think that they’ve scored success, they have got rid of a pro American government. And then the fear is that if the terrorists think that on this occasion, then in other elections in Europe they can also interfere with a terrorist outrage before polling day, hoping to change the result of the election"

Welcome to the world of Terrorist Politics I'm afraid...


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 18:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The new Spanish PM has already said he'll pull the Spanish troops out of Iraq.

Now, even if that was his stated policy beforehand (and apparently it was), shouldn't he have kept quiet on the subject, given the context in which he got elected? I'm not saying don't pull them out, but don't announce it on day one when the whole world sees the terrorists win...

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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 18:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I had been watching the coverage of the elections this weekend on the TVE channel. I'm glad that the socialists won, it signifies a change of government.

The reason of the outcome, as I've seen and heard, has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Most Spaniards believed that the reason for the 3/11 attack was the conservative involvement in the War of Iraq last year. Remember that most Spaniards weren't pro war when it started last year, and Aznar was attacked by it. Last Thursday's unfortunate massacre was the last nail on the coffin because of Aznar's decision to join Bush and Blair in the Iraq conflict. Therefore, extreme Islamic fundamentalists weren't that happy with the war from the beginning, and they had vowed to terrorise all of the US's allies of the Iraq war.

The new P.M., Zapatero, has vowed to keep fighting terrorism in his country, and I believe he will rise to the ocassion. Also, he promised to bring the Spanish troupes home from Iraq by June, which is great. As for ending ties with the US and the UK, because of the terror attack last Thursday? That remains to be seen.

PD Josue, mis condolencias por lo que ha pasado en su nación.


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 21:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I hope that the new Spanish P.M. can find a way to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq without giving the terrorists new hope. I do not know if he can. Face it, no matter what the Spanish people say or what the political situation was in Spain before March 11th, if Spain pulls out of Iraq and backs away from an aggressive war on terrorism, the terrorists are going to consider themselves winners. I am not saying the Spanish should blindly follow the U.S. or align themselves with President Bush. Personally, I am pulling for John Kerry in November and I support Spain's right to do what is right for the Spanish people. However, the new Spanish government must look past the political kudos they may receive by pulling out of Iraq and think about the long term effects of unintentionally bolstering the pride of Al Quaeda.


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Posted: 15 Mar 04, 22:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

CNN also has obtained a document posted on an Internet message board analysts believe is used by al Qaeda and its sympathizers that spells out the terrorist group's plan to separate Spain from the U.S.-led coalition on Iraq.

The strategy spelled out in the document, posted last December on the Internet, calls for using terrorist attacks to drive Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's Partido Popular from power and replace it with the Socialists.

That was expected to drive a wedge between Washington and Madrid and result in the withdrawal of Spanish military forces from Iraq.

"We think the Spanish government will not stand more than two blows, or three at the most, before it will be forced to withdraw because of the public pressure on it," the al Qaeda document says.

"If its forces remain after these blows, the victory of the Socialist Party will be almost guaranteed -- and the withdrawal of Spanish forces will be on its campaign manifesto."

That prediction came to fruition in elections Sunday, with the Socialists unseating the Popular Party three days after near-simultaneous bombings of four trains killed 200 and shocked the nation.

***IF*** true it leads one to believe AQ may have know the reactions better then anyone....


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Posted: 16 Mar 04, 02:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The vote of punishment, by manipulating the slaughter in Madrid and the invasion from Iraq = Adiós Aznar!

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Posted: 16 Mar 04, 02:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"CNN also has obtained a document posted on an Internet message board analysts believe is used by al Qaeda and its sympathizers that spells out the terrorist group's plan to separate Spain from the U.S.-led coalition on Iraq."

Except the AQ website thing is complete bollocks imo. The idea that CIA hackers would let a genuine AQ website stay online is beyond belief, especially since most of them were hacked and closed down even before 9-11 (see whatreallyhappened.com for details). More likely, this is a CIA-run website that is being used to spy on and catch potential AQ recruits. That's how they caught that US national guard trooper who was attemting to contact AQ in Iraq. These "scoops" are fed to CNN by American sources in an ongoing propaganda and misinformation war. Don't believe everything you read. Use your common sense instead. Terrorist attacks rarely if ever lead to more liberal or enlightened attitudes. People usually want harsher and more conservative approaches to terrorism after an attack. I saw that in Northern Ireland over a period of 30 years. 9-11 led to the Patriot Act and war, it did not lead to a sudden rush to "understand" the terrorists or to vote in the Green Party! There's no reason to believe that Al-Queda would anticipate that their attacks would lead to a socialist govt. Quite the opposite.

As for the "terrorists 1 democracy 0" bs, the assumption being made here is that voting for Spain's conservative govt (and also to follow the logic, Bush & Blair) is anti-terrorist, and voting for anyone else works to further terrorist aims. So voting for Kerry is a vote for terrorists too. I'm sure that hardened Fox News viewers would agree with you on that one, but I find it a ridiculous and offensive argument.

Let's not forget, this was an elective war: the US did not have to invade Iraq, it chose to, for reasons that have been proved to be bullshit. They created an Al-Queda problem in Iraq that didn't previously exist. Now they have to deal with the consequences of that - "bring it on" said Dubya. Well they have, and 200 innocent Spanish civilians have paid a terrible price for Bush/Blair/and Aznar's war mongering and posturing.

It's also a bit late to be defending democracy in the face of the decisions made by the new socialist Spanisg govt. If Dubya Blair Aznar cared about democracy they wouldn't have gone to war in the first place. After all, majorities in all those countries were against going to war in the first place.

My condolences to the Spanish people. I remember Omagh, the Shankill bombing, Warrenpoint, Enniskillen etc. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.


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Posted: 16 Mar 04, 05:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you people for your comments and opinions, they're always wellcome.

"The new Spanish PM has already said he'll pull the Spanish troops out of Iraq.

Now, even if that was his stated policy beforehand (and apparently it was), shouldn't he have kept quiet on the subject, given the context in which he got elected? I'm not saying don't pull them out, but don't announce it on day one when the whole world sees the terrorists win..."

I understand what you mean, and yes, taking out the Spanish troupes of Iraq was a Zapatero promise in the case he became PM.
Zapatero knew and knows what does exactly spanish people want, and wanted for the first moment: not to take part in the war.
Even if it seems the terrorists won or not, the fact is that democracy WON, because people finally punished Aznar for pulling us through a war that eventually caused 200 kills more, this time inside Spain.
In my honest opinion, wether the attack had happended or not, people would have punished Aznar as well.

But I don't really know. I don't think terrorists have won anything, they just have not a clean game in this world, so they game is irrational, with no sense. What I really know, is that people here in spain is pacifist, and we don't want any war in the world.

And we don't want a PM asshole who joins to insane Bush due to "rule" the world...
We want a clear and good president. And that's what we now got.



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