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Hey,

Let me explain to you why the USA never cared about the situation in Rwanda 10 years ago and why they still don't care now...

THERES NO OIL IN RWANDA!

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"Let me explain to you why the USA never cared about the situation in Rwanda 10 years ago and why they still don't care now...

THERES NO OIL IN RWANDA!"


Of course, the US wasn't the only country to ignore Rwanda. So what was France's, Belgium's, Canada's, England's, and the UN's excuse, just to name a few?

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Dont know about the rest, but the UK's excuse was probably that the US wasn't there.

(Only joking)

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Good topic. But I bet if some pretty girl puts a picture in her profile it will get more replies than this one. What does that tell us about the nature of the world?

I'm asked to feel guilty about a lot of things. Because I'm white, I'm asked to be ashamed of slavery. Because I'm European, I'm asked to be ashamed of the genocide of Native Americans. Because I'm British I'm supposed to feel guilty because the Brits once had an Empire. Because I'm irish protestant, I'm supposed to feel ashamed of the potato famine. Because I'm not jewish, I'm supposed to feel guilty about the Holocaust. I'm supposed to feel guilt about African aids victims. And now I'm supposed to feel guilty about Rwanda. Guess what? I don't feel guilty about anything that I personally had no control over or no ability to influence.

Europeans realized after World War Two that we're ALL two square meals away from barbarism. That's why the European union was created. I'm quite proud of that. Don't ask me to be ashamed for events that occurred before I was born, or for the barbarism of other cultures thousands of miles away.

What I CAN do is try to counter dangerous or hateful propaganda when I see I it. I vote for liberal politicians and parties in the hope that they will instigate a morality-based foreign policy, rather than a totally self-interested one. I vote for those who I think will try to reign in the powers of big corporations and special interest groups. In practical terms, what more should I be expected to do? Political parties and governments wield power. With few exceptions, individuals are powerless to effect change by direct action beyond our own very limited horizons.

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It is a good post by Holly, Matt, but did you read all of it? It does more than simply absolve white Europeans from the world's evils.


I agree with Holly's comments on guilt, but I don't think guilt ought to be what we take from Rwanda. In many ways, assuming guilt for an event is the easy way out and does not change the situation. I think there are many people who look at Rwanda and cringe, wring their hands a bit, shed some crocodile tears, and then forget about it until the next anniversary. What we need to do is learn from Rwanda and investigate how and why it happened in effort to assure that these events don't happen again.

But how can individuals learn about these events and try to vote for those who support a morality-based foreign policy if people avoid the topic altogether? Again, this shouldn't be about assigning guilt, but about learning from history.

In the end, we are two square meals away from barbarism, which makes my post quixotic in nature. Sometime in our future, distant or not, there will be another mass murder because few acted. But I can make a choice to be a barbarian and ignore it, or I can try to affect change. Simply starting this topic and inciting discussion is more than most Americans or Europeans have done so far.

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Then you obviously read this part, too:
"I vote for liberal politicians and parties in the hope that they will instigate a morality-based foreign policy, rather than a totally self-interested one."

I didn't assume a thing, Matt, and if I pissed you off, then perhaps my comments are hitting a nerve, which is the point. Your initial comment, along with this last post, does not indicate that you support a liberal morality-based foreign policy. Instead, your comments say that we should avoid foreign policy issues altogether until we "fix" the US first.

It just so happens that's kind of what occurred in April 1994. People in the US were "unconcerned" and "generally numb" to the problems in Rwanda, and until we change that short-sightedness, it will happen again. This has nothing to do with being the Big Brother of the world, but instead demonstrates how democracies cannot plead ignorance.

Now, none of this was a personal attack on you, Matt, so evaluate why you think it was.

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You are impossible to discuss anything with, Matt. No, I didn't throw in the "Race Card;" it's what Holly himself basically said in that paragraph. I essentially paraphased it into one snippet.

But it should be noted that instead of trying to discuss this issue rationally and creating a dialogue on the subject, you would rather claim I'm attacking you and level a quick personal jab at me. If you think your beliefs cannot withstand debate, then perhaps you should re-evaluate them. Quick trying to confuse the issue and claiming I'm picking on you.

And Brandon-
I'm afraid I won't be there this summer. I'll be moving cross-country soon and spare change is non-existent for now. As for meeting me, I think you are one of the few willing to do that.

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Matt - IT WAS A JOKE - There usually is no winner in the debates ... JUST AN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS.

Matt ... have you met Psyche Star? You guys are perfect for each other. Anyway, I recommend that you stop taking everything personally and develop a thicker skin.

Hmm ... maybe I should quit my day job and become a professional matchmaker.

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