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Posted: 24 Apr 04, 20:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Their was a lot of talk in the mid 80s about Queen spliting up, Could the reason they didnt split up be because they knew it was their last chance to stay together as a band ?


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Posted: 24 Apr 04, 22:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I actually wondered about that, too... would have they split? I have no idea... eventually they would have gone a separate way - already their musical tastes started to differ in the late 80s. I think, though, that they would not have split as drasticaly as Beatles, for example.


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Posted: 24 Apr 04, 22:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Answer to this is simply.. NO.. they would have never split up.. The rest of the band realized it was their fate in life to be in the band with Freddie.. Alone they could not achieve the same success and unity.. they had with the "mothership".. Tight knit unit. Till 86 they felt very tired.. but the spirit kept them going on.. and they would have had some individual break off's from the band.. but they would have returned to it in the end like always before.. Shall FM lived.. they would have realized it was force to renovate, to adopt the challenges of decades to come.. They were in the way of becoming sheer perfect.. and their ideas and music to evolve for the yrs to come..

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Posted: 24 Apr 04, 22:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That is until Roger is caught plowing Brians missus and Freddie turns John gay.


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Posted: 24 Apr 04, 22:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie was the only one who did not want to tour in '89 ... as presented in Mike Reed's interview ... maybe this was another facade .. who knows?


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Posted: 25 Apr 04, 04:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well I'll be a pickle. I never knew that. How dare he deprive the world of another tour ... even if he was dying.


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Posted: 25 Apr 04, 10:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The point is apparently that the other guys did not know he was dying ... or at least that was the official story ...


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Posted: 25 Apr 04, 21:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They didn't know at least until the recording sessions for The Miracle, and Freddie told them what he was going through.

Another version of the story is that Freddie didn't actually tell them about his condition until like 1990 or 1991, but all the time they knew that he was seriously ill but didn't ask any questions to respect his privacy.


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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 01:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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That is until Roger is caught plowing Brians missus and Freddie turns John gay.


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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 05:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

>>all the time they knew that he was seriously ill but didn't ask any questions to respect his privacy.

I've never quite got that. Surely it isn't intruding on your friend's privacy if you suspect they're seriously ill to ask them what's up? It's one thing to ask if they've had any gay sex lately and who with and precise details please, but if you think they're dying?
Something funny there...


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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 08:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not sure if John wasn't ready to leave back in 1986... They took 2 years off, started recording new album and it was already apparent that there's sth wrong with Freddie... So he stayed... My theory is that if Freddie wasn't ill, John could be the one saying "I have enough" and retiring... After reading in "Early years" a bit about his wife I think I can understand his confusion- on tour they were kind of Gods, everyone were there especially for them to ensure they have everything they need and want... Then- coming home to wife who is devoted catholic and 5 kids... kind of double life, isn't it...? touring's always like that, doesn't matter the band / artist, but in his case the difference was probably incredibly big... That may be also the reason why he retired now- Brian and Roger were doing shitty things / projects (he called collaboration with Robbie "rubbish"), so the whole thing wasn't worth the difficulty of this double life- public and private...Just a theory...

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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 08:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Touche, salesman.

Anywho a tribe of Deakys' is always going to be difficult.


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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 09:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie had always stated that he felt there would come a time when it would be difficult to continue to run around the stage in the same way as he got older.

i think had he not been ill there would probably still have been one or two more tours then retire to pure studio work, I think it is likely that they would have had slow periods where nothing happened possibly for several years, but I doubt they would have ever 'officially' split up, I think they would have followed 'The Who's' example.

As for endless comments on this site about 'shitty' projects like the musical etc, it appears to come from people who have never seen it, and therefore your opinion is worthless! how can you critic something you haven't seen?

Do you say 'I don't like sushi, I've never tried it, but I don't like it' on second thoughts some of you probably do say that. Anyway the point is to have an opinion about any form of 'art' you HAVE to have seen it, listened to it, tasted it, etc, otherwise you have no opinion worth stating.

Fine if you didn't like the Robbie Williams collaboration assuming you heard it, but at the end of the day this is music, and music is art in which you experiement, sometimes it works to your liking sometimes not, but to brand everything crap because it's not the same as the original version is very narrow minded.

Rant over, just fed up of reading comments from 12yr old bedroom critics.


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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 10:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So a tour for The Miracle and another for Innuendo..which would probably have been a lot different. Also no Made in Heaven.

It's great to speculate.


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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 10:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"As for endless comments on this site about 'shitty' projects like the musical etc, it appears to come from people who have never seen it, and therefore your opinion is worthless! how can you critic something you haven't seen?"

Live in London for 3 years, seen the musical twice... Now your opinion is worthless...

"Fine if you didn't like the Robbie Williams collaboration assuming you heard it, but at the end of the day this is music, and music is art in which you experiement"
I was just quoting John who said it was rubbish... Bloody stepford...

"Rant over, just fed up of reading comments from 12yr old bedroom critics."
Multiply it by two, you'll come bit closer...
Just because your opinion is different than mine, you're assuming I'm basically stupid and my opinion is worthless and I know nothing about music... Nice- taht's what I call a true stepford...
And what exactly makes me a 12year old bedroom critic and doesn't make you the same...?- apparently "more mature" opinion...? Don't make me laugh... I'm a musician myself and saying Robbie Williams and art in one sentence is just not right... In his case the word you're looking for is "product"...

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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 10:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John would have retired in late 80's if it wasn't for Freddie's illness. There's NO way the band would be together in, say, 1995.

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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 10:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fenderek

I wasn't particularly aiming it at you just to 'fuckwits' that write about the musical without having see it.

But I might as well have been writing about you because you just displayed you own 'level of intelligence' but using the wonderful cover all 'stepford' a phase that gets spurted out here usually by people that have no clue as to its origin.

Dear me, why can you not understand that I am talking about the many people on this site that simply love to critic the musical just because it's cool to do so, if anything should be called 'stepford' than running with the cool pack should be it. Never mind go back to the play ground.

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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 11:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fenderek

Just re-read your original post, and where does it talk about the musical?

So why are you getting upset? Why do you assume I was talking about you?

Seem to me everyone on this site claims to be either a musician or a web designer, who here has actually earned their living at either? I think the list has suddenly dropped somewhat, and before you shout, yes becomming a professional does make a huge difference, if you only have yourself to please you can claim to be anything, but if you have a paying client its a very different situation.


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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 12:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"I wasn't particularly aiming it at you just to 'fuckwits' that write about the musical without having see it. "

But you used word "shitty" used by me (you used it as a quote) begining your rant; therefore it's easy to assume- it's an answer to my previous post... You're right here, I didn't mention the musical, but... DID ANYONE...? What the hell this rant was THEN about...? Re-read your post and tell me again than it wasn't at all aimed at me... At whom then...?
...whatever... Bangs the head against the wall as well...

Togg, I don't give a flying monkey about what's cool and what's not... Apoparently listening to Robbie Williams is actually supposed to be cool, isn't it...? Don't care what the others claim, don't care how the others defend their views etc.- all I know is that is music is not only a part of my life, but IS my life... If I turned deaf tomorrow I would lose everything- not only hearing- EVERYTHING... I'm a vocalist and of course, you can't buy my record in HMV or Tower, not yet I hope:) But does it make any difference...? Does it mean that I know less about music or I feel (or think) the wrong way...? Not sure...
When I'm saying "shitty" or "bad" or anything it just simply mean IMO, doesn't it...? It's not THE TRUTH, one and only and I'm not even trying to say- I'm a musician so I know what's shitty and what's not... What I'm saying is: I'm a fan of music as anyone else, and some things are "shitty" for me (Robbie for instance) and some are cool (for example Metallica- and it's not so cool to listen to it since 1991, is is...?)- that's just my opinion, not the general truth...; by saying I'm a musician all I'm trying to do is to say how much I love music and how much of idealist I am, that's all... By saying that IMO sth is "shitty" I just mean that I don't feel that it's honest... or I just simply don't like and undestand it...

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Posted: 26 Apr 04, 12:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In my opinion Queen would have never split up officially.Freddie would have made some great collaborations (as he did), so Brian and ROger, but every 2-3 years some new Queen stuff would have been released :) for our joy.
And of course in 2004 they couldn't make a Wembley gig running for the stage, but they would have created some GREAT show in some other way!!


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